The Coli Where we rank Kyle Lowry over Jason Kidd.. Scust @malta

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

So would like ratin Durant as da best playa in da league because of just his scoring average thus far in da season fall into dis kind of assessment too?

AD is leading the league in scoring.

Points per game (taking into account percentages and role) are much more reflective of who the best scorers are - it's obviously not a perfect reading, but it's close. Assists are more dependent on teammates, scheme, how statkeepers award assists and how often you control the ball.

 

[cKondomsucK6]

Still not stopping Cap post these useless stats what center did they face that was KAJ level? Even at 39 he was better than any center they faced and Thompson and Adams were toying with them

that tall lank would get kicked in the dikk and boxed out with the quickness

 

[Newzz]

Umm...yeah, I dunno wtf you talmbout, breh.

nikka making up his own stat & keeps pushing it

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

nikka making up his own stat & keeps pushing it

Be dumb brehs.

 

[TBdaGhost]

Lowry absolutely killin shyt right now. fukk anyone and they family that ever shytted on him

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

If y'all still think my position of peak Lowry being better than Kidd at his best is unreasonable, go on and marinate on this for a minute:

Crazy to say this but this year's Raptors currently has the 2nd best offensive rating of all time, behind this year's Warriors.

Team Season Finder | Basketball-Reference.com

Lowry has the most influence/impact (controls the ball for 6.6 minutes a game - 11th in average time of possession in the league with a 25% usage rate) on statistically the 2nd best offense of all time. Now put all the era-context and the fact we're only a third of the way through the season.aside, and simply look at how great his play is at this moment - this is him at his best. Kidd couldn't even lead his team to having a top-10 offense in the league at the time, Lowry is out here leading his team to one of the most high-powered offenses in history. Not just in the league now, but in history. Surface stats as follows:

This season - 21.3 ppg on 15.3 shots per game (44.8% FG/60.4% TS shooting), 7.3 assists and 2.8 turnovers a game (123 offensive rating individual)
Over the last month - 24 ppg, (50% FG/68% TS shooting), 7.7 assists and 2.8 turnovers a game (133 offensive rating individual)
Lowry in 2015/16 - 22.0 ppg on 59.8 TS% (15.6 shots), he had a 117 ORTG - before elbow injury near the end of the season

That's 80+ worth of games, a large enough sample size to work off. Now let's look at Kidd:

Kidd's best season - 18.7 ppg on 15.6 shots per game (41.4% FG/52.6% TS shooting), 8.9 assists and 3.7 turnovers (106 offensive rating individual).

If y'all have been watching the Raptors play over the last two seasons and still disagree after watching the tape and looking at the stats - fair enough. But don't y'all dare suggest that there isn't an argument there to be had.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

If y'all still think my position of peak Lowry being better than Kidd at his best is unreasonable, go on and marinate on this for a minute:


Lowry has the most influence/impact (controls the ball for 6.6 minutes a game - 11th in average time of possession in the league with a 25% usage rate) on statistically the 2nd best offense of all time. Now put all the era-context and the fact we're only a third of the way through the season.aside, and simply look at how great his play is at this moment - this is him at his best. Kidd couldn't even lead his team to having a top-10 offense in the league at the time, Lowry is out here leading his team to one of the most high-powered offenses in history. Not just in the league now, but in history. Surface stats as follows:

This season - 21.3 ppg on 15.3 shots per game (44.8% FG/60.4% TS shooting), 7.3 assists and 2.8 turnovers a game (123 offensive rating individual)
Over the last month - 24 ppg, (50% FG/68% TS shooting), 7.7 assists and 2.8 turnovers a game (133 offensive rating individual)
Lowry in 2015/16 - 22.0 ppg on 59.8 TS% (15.6 shots), he had a 117 ORTG - before elbow injury near the end of the season

That's 80+ worth of games, a large enough sample size to work off. Now let's look at Kidd:

Kidd's best season - 18.7 ppg on 15.6 shots per game (41.4% FG/52.6% TS shooting), 8.9 assists and 3.7 turnovers (106 offensive rating individual).

If y'all have been watching the Raptors play over the last two seasons and still disagree after watching the tape and looking at the stats - fair enough. But don't y'all dare suggest that there isn't an argument there to be had.

A true shooting percentage under 53%? And some people wanted to argue him over Nash :helmsleyscust:

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

@Gil Scott-Heroin breaking down basketball like a mad scientist


Kyle Lowry approves

 

[Gangstar8]

@Gil Scott-Heroin breaking down basketball like a mad scientist


Kyle Lowry approves

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Lowry looking at his superior stats over J Kidd like

 

[TBdaGhost]

The heart of a lion

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Well now it's official, Lowry heads the most efficient offense of all time:




TheColi ain't gonna like this one.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

@Gil Scott-Heroin I think we can call Lowry the GOAT right?

It's a celebration bytches!

Lowry dancing over NBA history like

the NBA's greatest player is hardly 6 feet tall and is Brazzers style plump

 

[hayesc0]

Well now it's official, Lowry heads the most efficient offense of all time:




TheColi ain't gonna like this one.

We haven't even reached the allstar break and that 19 ppg season isn't kidds best btw. Scoring was not his strong suit

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

We haven't even reached the allstar break and that 19 ppg season isn't kidds best btw. Scoring was not his strong suit

I. You could argue 2-3 seasons for Kidd, I simply picked the one where he was basically at his peak as a player + one that was most generous statistically in argument for him.
II. I did mention in my previous post - "Now put all the era-context and the fact we're only a third of the way through the season.aside, and simply look at how great his play is at this moment - this is him at his best". I'm well aware we're not even at the All-Star break yet, I'm just simply trying to illustrate how great Lowry has been playing.
III. Why say Kidd's scoring wasn't his strong suit (as if scoring isn't arguably the most important trait for the main ballhandler), like somehow we can't use that in argument for Lowry being a better player?

See also -

If y'all still think my position of peak Lowry being better than Kidd at his best is unreasonable, go on and marinate on this for a minute:


Lowry has the most influence/impact (controls the ball for 6.6 minutes a game - 11th in average time of possession in the league with a 25% usage rate) on statistically the 2nd best offense of all time. Now put all the era-context and the fact we're only a third of the way through the season.aside, and simply look at how great his play is at this moment - this is him at his best. Kidd couldn't even lead his team to having a top-10 offense in the league at the time, Lowry is out here leading his team to one of the most high-powered offenses in history. Not just in the league now, but in history. Surface stats as follows:

This season - 21.3 ppg on 15.3 shots per game (44.8% FG/60.4% TS shooting), 7.3 assists and 2.8 turnovers a game (123 offensive rating individual)
Over the last month - 24 ppg 14.8 shots per game, (50% FG/68% TS shooting), 7.7 assists and 2.8 turnovers a game (133 offensive rating individual)
Lowry in 2015/16 - 22.0 ppg on 59.8 TS% (15.6 shots), he had a 117 ORTG - before elbow injury near the end of the season

That's 80+ worth of games, a large enough sample size to work off. Now let's look at Kidd:

Kidd's best season - 18.7 ppg on 15.6 shots per game (41.4% FG/52.6% TS shooting), 8.9 assists and 3.7 turnovers (106 offensive rating individual).

If y'all have been watching the Raptors play over the last two seasons and still disagree after watching the tape and looking at the stats - fair enough. But don't y'all dare suggest that there isn't an argument there to be had.