The Coli Where we rank Kyle Lowry over Jason Kidd.. Scust @malta

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

That's why I said Suns and Nets Kidd lol.

He couldn't shoot for shyt when he first came in but his shot later developed down the line. He never shot the ball like Nash could but you can't leave kidd open like if he's rubio or rondo

Not to the same extent, but from 2000-2004 he peaked at 34.1% from deep. Teams can live with those percentages. He was a career 40% shooter from the field and 35% from deep who never hit 45% from the field on a season. Similar strategies would be applied, though not to the same extreme of ignore him entirely like with Rubio.

 

[Mars]

2nd-most efficient offense in recorded history.But when Lebron makes it to the finals again......"Bu,bu,but...the cavs had no real competition in the eastern conference"

 

[Newzz]

2nd-most efficient offense in recorded history.But when Lebron makes it to the finals again......"Bu,bu,but...the cavs had no real competition in the eastern conference"

Great point

 

[ManBearPig]

Kidd is one of the most overrated PGs in the all-time discussion.

I'd take Kidd for his career obviously but peak wise Lowry definitely has a case over him.

Lowry and his struggles in the post season can't be better

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Kidd's not the type a player you can judge by a stat sheet.

You'd wonder how he ever made an All Star game.

But if you actually watched him play, you'd know he was one of the GOAT's

 

[ManBearPig]

Kidd's not the type a player you can judge by a stat sheet.

You'd wonder how he ever made an All Star game.

But if you actually watched him play, you'd know he was one of the GOAT's

He put up all star numbers but u right.

 

[ManBearPig]

he ain't even a top 5 pg right now or close to it.


kidd on the mavs >lowry today

Wrong

 

[ManBearPig]

Not to the same extent, but from 2000-2004 he peaked at 34.1% from deep. Teams can live with those percentages. He was a career 40% shooter from the field and 35% from deep who never hit 45% from the field on a season. Similar strategies would be applied, though not to the same extreme of ignore him entirely like with Rubio.

Its a PG friendly league now with no hand checking.

Prime Kidd can take advantage of that since its proven then he had more shooting success after the rule change

 

[Styles]

wrong thread

 

[KingJudah2]

Kidd's not the type a player you can judge by a stat sheet.

You'd wonder how he ever made an All Star game.

But if you actually watched him play, you'd know he was one of the GOAT's

facts. He had his hand, literally speaking, in every facet of the game, despite not being an elite scorer

 

[AJtheOne]

Lowry isn't even a top 5 current pg.

What makes yall think he's better than a top 5 pg all time and a future HOF

Kidd led a team, that was in the lottery the prior year, to 2 straight finals. He made players better and was a walking triple double.

This nikka Lowry couldn't lead the Raptors out of the 1st rd till last year

This shouldn't even be a discussion the Coliseum yall

 

[KingJudah2]

nobody on the Raptors better then Suns/nets Kidd

but Curry, CP3, and Westbrook are all better than Kidd ever was

I rather have Kidd than Westbrook on a Thunder team that had Harden, Ibaka, and Durant.

CP3 is way better offensively but is a midget, slow, and turnstyle on D

Kidd and Curry would work on the current Warriors roster for different reasons

 

[KingJudah2]

Kidd wouldnt make those remedial ass emotional decisions Westbrook be makin either

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Its a PG friendly league now with no hand checking.

Prime Kidd can take advantage of that since its proven then he had more shooting success after the rule change

Well yeah by the mid 2000's he had improved his three point shot greatly. It's much harder to get into the paint now too so his struggles in the paint wouldn't stand out as much, especially if he was hitting from outside.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You are automatically trying to say its kidds best season just because of the ppg when you know thats one of his worst skills. .

What part of "I simply took the one where it was most kindest to him statistically, where he was at his best as the leader and had to deal with teams gameplanning for him on a nightly basis." do you not understand?

Can you stop sweeping his lack of scoring ability under the rug as if it isn't one of the most important things when comparing main ball-handlers?

You are taking a small sample size of the season from lowry 23 games when its 82 games in the season adn acting like other things wont come into play. We know teams get fatigued we know little injuries and aches happen during the season we know long road trips like the texas triangle and that cali road trip happen. Teams get bored and disinterested at times and loose focus even the 96 bulls fell into this trap.

It would pay for you to read properly next time:

"This season - 21.3 ppg on 15.3 shots per game (44.8% FG/60.4% TS shooting), 7.3 assists and 2.8 turnovers a game (123 offensive rating individual)
Over the last month - 24 ppg 14.8 shots per game, (50% FG/68% TS shooting), 7.7 assists and 2.8 turnovers a game (133 offensive rating individual)
Lowry in 2015/16 - 22.0 ppg on 59.8 TS% (15.6 shots), he had a 117 ORTG - before elbow injury near the end of the season

That's 80+ worth of games, a large enough sample size to work off."

like i said I will wait to the end of the year to check things out.but the point is you are one of the more disingenuous posters with the way you frame arguments.

Quite the opposite actually. You simply aren't reading my posts properly nor are you getting my point.

Let me ask you this:

How many Raptors games have you watched over the last two seasons? How many Suns/Nets games have you seen from late-90s/early to mid '00s?