Gil Scott-Heroin
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Thanks for confirming just how much of an idiot you are.only thing Lowry does better then JKidd is score...and yes, im very angry right now bruv...
The Coli Where we rank Kyle Lowry over Jason Kidd.. Scust @malta
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KRiLL (+)
Yo! Ho! Ho!
Thanks for confirming just how much of an idiot you are.
Gil Scott-Heroin
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The fact you think the game and its players are valued by some vague, made-up categories is comical (and how many of those categories a player is better at = the better player). By that logic, do you think Kidd is better than Curry? To take it even further where do you rank Draymond as a player in the league and at his position?
Answer carefully.
Probably one of the most unbelievable things ive read on here and that's saying a lot.
Gil Scott-Heroin
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I'm amazed at just how much folk overrate Kidd on this board. It's hilarious. To think it's "unbelieveable" shows one isn't paying attention or doesn't want to.
Lowry is a 6 foot bulldozer, an average (at best) passer, with zero intangibles and injury prone. He couldn't even beat John Wall in a series, let alone take his team to the finals. There's absolutely no argument to be made that he is on Jason Kidd's level, especially prime Kidd.
I've liked Lowry since Villanova, and I watched plenty of Jason Kidd. Lowry is not capable of making guys better at all, something Kidd did everywhere he went. He can shoot and he can finish, but there are 10 point guards I'd take ahead of him right now. There weren't 10 point guards better than kidd in his prime.
I'm amazed at just how much folk overrate Kidd on this board. It's hilarious. To think it's "unbelieveable" shows one isn't paying attention or doesn't want to.
If Jason Kidd is overrated then Lowry is Darrel Armstrong status
Gil Scott-Heroin
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Than you should know better. You don't have any excuses. At all.
This couldn't be further from the truth, and I'm doubting if you actually know both of their respective game's at all. Past the fact that "making guys better" is an overcompensating term to begin with, the principles behind it can be applied directly to Lowry's approach to the game and skillset - he's an incredible playmaker/passer, he can identify when players need the ball and when they're hot, he is one of the best PGs at balancing when to pass/shoot, he commands a ton of defensive attention with the ball in hand (opening the floor up for the rest of his teammates and giving them more room to work with), he's effective without the ball, he's an outstanding M2M/team defender and he can carry a lead scoring workload to take pressure off his teammates. Whereas Kidd crippled his teams' offenses because of his lack of scoring ability and his reluctance to shoot. His teammates dealt with more defensive attention because he was hesistant to score; therefore fukking up the overall flow of the offense. And in case you haven't read this -
94/95 - playing next to McCloud and Jackson - ended up with the 15th ranked offense
95/96 - relatively the same personnel - finished with the 19th ranked offense.
96/97 DAL - he only played 22 games - finished with the 28th ranked offense
96/97 PHO - he only played 33 games (started only 22), KJ was the one leading the team that season and they had the 6th ranked offense.
97/98 - Kidd took over starting duties, with relatively the same personnel and they ended with the 12th ranked offense (Nash had superior on-court points production than Kidd - propping up the points per 100 possessions - however, keep in mind it was mostly against second units)
98/99 - lockout season, 50 games, few extra changes to the personnel and they end up with the 4th ranked offense - no coincidence it was statistically Kidd's best shooting season.
99/00 - few extra personnel changes, most notably Penny, and they had the 12th ranked offense
00/01 - Penny was injured for pretty much the entire season, and they had the 22nd ranked offense
2001/02 Nets - 17th ranked offfense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2002/03 Nets - 18th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2003/04 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2004/05 Nets - 26th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2005/06 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2006/07 Nets - 16th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2007/08 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
Across 14-15 seasons when Kidd was the leader of the team, he only orchestrated ONE top-10 offense. I can divide. That's one great offense every 14 season average and that's so....
This is horrible, horrible logic. The PG position is 1000000000000x deeper now, than it was during Kidd's prime. Of course there's gonna be more PGs who're better than Lowry today, than there were when Kidd was at his peak.
Gil Scott-Heroin
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Gil Scott-Heroin
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@KRiLL (+)The fact you think the game and its players are valued by some vague, made-up categories is comical (and how many of those categories a player is better at = the better player). By that logic, do you think Kidd is better than Curry? To take it even further where do you rank Draymond as a player in the league and at his position?
Answer carefully.
Still waiting on your answers.
Piff Huxtable
Delaney 2020,2024,2028...
Raptors should keep Lowry and replace Dwane Casey with David Blatt so they can become a dynasty word to @Gil Scott-Heroin
I wish it wasn't true but him waiving the white flag to Lebron sealed it
Blackrogue
Superstar
At many points during the season brehs were convinced Lowry> wall
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Same way people believe Isiah and kyrie better
..Same way people believe Isiah and kyrie better
NormanConnors
Detroit/MSU Spartan Life
And @Malta would be right. This version of Lowry is better than Kidd ever was.
G-Zeus
G-Zeus Chrystler...the brehsident
he probably went to sleep
it's something to do you know....sleep