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This Raptors squad would run a train on those early 00s Nets teams. Matter of fact, if it weren't for the LeBron/Cavs, the Raptors would've already been/going to multiple Finals. It just seems as though they can't break through mental wall of beating this Cavs team, but we shall see how the rest of the series pans out.
They would still find a way to lose.. Probably to the Wizards or Celtics
 
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They would still find a way to lose.. Probably to the Wizards or Celtics
Unless LeBron/Kyrie would be on those Wizards or Celtics teams, how do you figure that? Especially since they just knocked out the Wizards in the first round, comprehensively....

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It’s better to forget the eastern conference from when after Jordan retired and before Shaq was traded to Miami. Worst time period the league has seen since the 70’s and easily the worst state any conference has been in for an extended time. Detroit averaged 83 points in 2004 against the nets and 75 against the pacers, and won both series :scust:

I refuse to forget any time period which involved Jermaine O'Neal punching some fat fukk Pistons fan square in the jaw during a giant arena brawl.

EDIT: Oh shyt, that brawl was AFTER the Shaq trade to Miami, which is just proof that I legit wiped all the shytty early-'00s basketball in the East out of my brain.
 
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getting exposed as usual...

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I doubt you were even watching the NBA during the early 00s.....
 

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Y’all are high if taking a player that took two teams to the finals alone and another as a captain over a really good player they can’t get over the hump. Do y’all not remember the 03 Finals
 

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Unless LeBron/Kyrie would be on those Wizards or Celtics teams, how do you figure that? Especially since they just knocked out the Wizards in the first round, comprehensively....

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The Raptors just won 59 games this season and built a team that is constructed to make the finals. The Wizards are an 8th seed after one of their more disappointing seasons in recent memory. The Raps exorcised their demons this season and finally won a series they were expected to win pretty comfortably. But I don't believe the Raptors would have already been to multiple finals if Lebron wasn't in the East. They lost in 2014 as the favorites in the first round, they got swept in 2015 as the favorites in the first round, and advanced after two seven game series in the first round in 2016 and 2017.

You think the Raptors, pre-culture reset, would have beaten the Celtics or Wizards last season? The Wizards and Raptors were both more comparable to their 2015 iterations. Raptors weren't as deep and relied heavily on Derozan and Lowry for offense. That isn't a recipe for success.
 
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Y’all are high if taking a player that took two teams to the finals alone and another as a captain over a really good player they can’t get over the hump. Do y’all not remember the 03 Finals
Would those 00s Nets squads be able to beat the Cavs in the past 2-3 seasons?

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The Raptors just won 59 games this season and built a team that is constructed to make the finals. The Wizards are an 8th seed after one of their more disappointing seasons in recent memory. The Raps exercised their demons this season and finally won a series they were expected to win pretty comfortably. But I don't believe the Raptors would have already been to multiple finals if Lebron wasn't in the East. They lost in 2014 as the favorites in the first round, they got swept in 2015 as the favorites in the first round, and advanced after two seven game series in the first round in 2016 and 2017..
2016 - they lost to the Cavs in the ECF - almost guaranteed to make Finals
2017 - they lost to the Cavs in the ECSF (the would've beaten the Celtics had they played them) - strong chance of making Finals
2018* - Cavs are their biggest threat - strong chance of making Finals

That's three realistic chances of making the Finals. Let's not act like the Celtics/Wizards haven't had their fair share of shortcomings over the past two seasons either. What demons have they exorcised, exactly?

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You think the Raptors, pre-culture reset, would have beaten the Celtics or Wizards last season?
Yes, they took the '16 champions (Cavs) to a six-game series. I don't see how it's not realistic to suggest they couldn't beat either of those teams, especially considering IT2's health.
 
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