Tim Duncan - The Best player since Jordan celebration thread.

[Road20]

This shyt is comedy. Give me timmy though I just like the impact a big man has on games. Tim will be 50 abusing cats with the same three post moves

 

[Goatpoacher]

So... how is MJ better than Timmy anyway? Sure MJ never lost a Finals, but MJ never faced Lebron james in the finals. :JJ:

 

[MoneyTron]

So... how is MJ better than Timmy anyway? Sure MJ never lost a Finals, but MJ never faced Lebron james in the finals. :JJ:

 

[Malta]

So... how is MJ better than Timmy anyway? Sure MJ never lost a Finals, but MJ never faced Lebron james in the finals. :JJ:

MJ is better

 

[Goatpoacher]

MJ is better

Sure MJ's reign was like Shaq during 2001 for about 8 years but MJ wasn't winning rings at 38 :JJ:

 

[Soundwave]

http://grantland.com/features/24-lingering-questions-from-the-nba-finals/

Q: Has anyone in NBA history had a better career than Tim Duncan?

We’re not arguing “Best Player Ever” here, just start-to-finish careers. Think of it this way: You’re starting a team from scratch, you can grab any player from NBA history … and you can build around that one player for up to 20 years. If you pick Jordan, you’re getting 11 full Chicago seasons, two abbreviated Chicago seasons, a lost baseball season and those two Wiz seasons. If you pick Bird, you’re getting nine extraordinary seasons, one other very good season, a DNP season and two injury-plagued seasons. If you take LeBron, I can give you only his 11 seasons, because who knows what happens after that? And so on down the line.

Now, some of you might grab the 11 great Jordan years and suck for the other nine. I get it. But if you want to succeed for two decades, you’d gravitate toward all-encompassing excellence, durability, longevity and the knowledge that, at some point, the winning pedigree of that player would win you a few titles. (Sorry, Reggie Miller, John Stockton and Karl Malone … you just got crossed off.) Before you pick Kobe, hear me out: He’s played 18 years and counting, but his rookie season (15.5 MPG) and Year 18 (177 minutes total) were throwaways. Look at his résumé compared to Duncan’s résumé and the résumé of The Guy You Should Have Picked.

Kobe’s résumé: 5-2 in the Finals; 15 All-Star Games; one MVP; two Finals MVPs; 11 first-team All-NBAs; two second-team All-NBAs; 13 seasons with a winning percentage over .600; two missed postseasons; only one of six players to score 30,000 points; 25.5 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.8 APG, 45.4% FG, 23.4 PER, 173 win shares (reg. season); 25.6 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 4.7 APG, 44.8% FG, 22.4 PER, 28.3 WS (playoffs). Fantastic? Absolutely. But unless he reinvents his career these last two or three years, he can’t pass Duncan and The Guy You Should Have Picked.

Duncan’s résumé: 17 seasons; 5-1 in the Finals; won titles 15 years apart; 14 All-Star Games; back-to-back MVPs; three Finals MVPs; Rookie of the Year; 10 first-team All-NBAs; three second-team All-NBAs; never had a winning percentage below .600; never missed the playoffs; 19.9 PPG, 11.1 RPG, 2.2 BPG, 50.6% FG, 24.6 PER, 191.6 WS (reg. season); 21.3 PPG, 11.7 RPG, 2.3 BPG, 50% FG, 24.6 PER, 36.2 WS (playoffs). The best player of the post-MJ generation — it’s true.

The résumé of The Guy You Should Have Picked: 20 seasons (19 as an asset); 6-4 in the Finals; won titles 17 years apart; won two Finals MVPs (14 years apart); six MVPs; 19 All-Star Games (!!!!); 10 first-team All-NBAs; five second-team All-NBAs; 16 seasons with a winning percentage over .600; missed the playoffs twice; leads the NBA in minutes and points; 24.6 PPG, 11.2 RPG, 2.6 BPG, 55.9% FG, 24.6 PER, 273.4 WS (regular season); 24.3 PPG, 10.5 RPG, 2.4 BPG, 53.3% FG; 23.0 PER; 35.6 WS (playoffs).

That guy? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Bonus points for having the most unstoppable shot ever (the skyhook) and for the ’88 Lakers running their biggest play for him when he was 41 years old (down one, Game 6, last 20 seconds — and yes, he drew a foul on Laimbeer13 and made both free throws). Even though he’s the third-best basketball player ever (behind Jordan and Russell), Kareem remains our most underrated great player. Nobody had a better start-to-finish career. But if Duncan plays two or three more years, makes another Finals and reaches that 20-year mark? It might become an argument, right?

Kareem’s A-game was better — that’s undeniable. His first 11 seasons were as great as LeBron’s first 11 seasons. Duncan was never THAT good for THAT long. But Kareem was more of a loner, a tortured genius, a once-in-a-generation talent who motivated teammates mostly by being outstanding at his job. Duncan’s most underrated “skill”? He’s one of the greatest and most unselfish teammates of all time. The Spurs realized early on that they could build a franchise around his personality, his competitiveness and his work ethic, so that’s exactly what San Antonio did. Everyone from Duncan’s generation was jealous of the players who got to play with Tim Duncan. It’s one of many reasons why he’s had the second-greatest career of all time.

And if you were there on Sunday, it was hard not to get choked up near the end, after Duncan had departed the game, when Parker and Ginobili approached him for their we-did-it hugs. Great player, great team, great career, two great moments. You would have wanted to play with Tim Duncan, and maybe that’s all that matters.

@Malta

 

[PennyApollo]

Where do you put Tim Duncan in the all-time picture? He's certainly top 10. Is he top 5?

 

[sfgiants]

So... how is MJ better than Timmy anyway? Sure MJ never lost a Finals, but MJ never faced Lebron james in the finals. :JJ:

jason terry faced lebronze in the finals and outscored him in the series

 

[Jplaya2023]

Where do you put Tim Duncan in the all-time picture? He's certainly top 10. Is he top 5?

top 5 resume top 15 player. that's the best way to describe tim. His resume superceded his on court skills. That's not a knock just reality.

Only resumes that are better are Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bill

 

[Newzz]

top 5 resume top 15 player. that's the best way to describe tim. His resume superceded his on court skills. That's not a knock just reality.

Only resumes that are better are Jordan, Kareem, Magic, and Bill

True.


It's kinda too hard to compare players though that played different positions, through different eras. I mean hell, we dont compare RBs to WRs in the NFL ATG lists do we?. Catchers to Outfielders in MLB? Im done with comparing players that played different positions

 

[Goatpoacher]

True.


It's kinda too hard to compare players though that played different positions, through different eras. I mean hell, we dont compare RBs to WRs in the NFL ATG lists do we?. Catchers to Outfielders in MLB? Im done with comparing players that played different positions

Yep. I'm not even sure you can compare players with different games. Look at Magic Johnson. Can you compare him to jordan? Can you compare JOrdan to magic? If Magic played defense he might be considered as good as Jordan.

 

[Newzz]

Yep. I'm not even sure you can compare players with different games. Look at Magic Johnson. Can you compare him to jordan? Can you compare JOrdan to magic? If Magic played defense he might be considered as good as Jordan.

Yeah...true with the Magic with defense might be = to Jordan


Im tired of all the "who's the best player" debates when there isnt a legitimate why to decide who's really better when they play different positions


Only sport we do that stupid shyt in is basketball though


Im not participating in that anymore, because it's a never ending debate....basically it's up to personal decision at the end of the day and nobody changes anyone's mind


From now on, Im doing it like I do in NFL debates. C's vs C's, PF's vs PF's, etc.

 

[Goatpoacher]

Yeah...true with the Magic with defense might be = to Jordan


Im tired of all the "who's the best player" debates when there isnt a legitimate why to decide who's really better when they play different positions


Only sport we do that stupid shyt in is basketball though


Im not participating in that anymore, because it's a never ending debate....basically it's up to personal decision at the end of the day and nobody changes anyone's mind


From now on, Im doing it like I do in NFL debates. C's vs C's, PF's vs PF's, etc.

With football though the position players have a more defined roll than a basketball player. One 2 guard might be primarily a defender. Another might be a shooter. Another might be a slasher.

I've been saying for a long ass time: It's about who you think is a great player or who is the best player, it's a question of how you measure and define greatness. IT's not a debate over the athlete, it's a debate over the definition.

 

[GunRanger]

Top Finals PER

Trying to find Kobe here

 

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