Why Does Threads About the "Technical" Aspect Of Hiphop Make Some Of You So Furious??

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the 'lyricism' convo is for frauds. Rhythmless cacs, mostly

Because they associate it with "cacs".


I've actually been meaning to make a thread on this topic of white people being the main ones drawn to the "technical" aspect of rap. Somebody said it verbatim: "black people couldn't care less about the technical aspect of rap".

I guess I can understand why:jbhmm:
 

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Yesterday I made an innocent thread about eLZhi's use of the ABBA rhyme pattern:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/elzhi-is-the-king-of-the-abba-internal-rhyme-scheme.469415/

and this was one of the replies:




I've actually been noticed this tho. This is a hiphop site but I can only tell that a handful of you like to actually talk about you know...rap

Y'all don't mind talking about beefs and what these rappers ate for breakfast but when it comes down to actually talking about rap technically then its :camby:



Why is this:leostare:
Cause they aren't hip hop fans they're pop fans. They aint about the art or the culture.
 

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i disagree

anybody could sit there and write metaphors and multis

The hardest thing to master as a rapper is vocal delivery. Being able to find the perfect sound of your voice and fitting it to the beat. Because that's something that only comes with years of practice and imagination, especially if you're rhyming over weird shyt

Any moron can write a multi. And this is why "bars" people are the woat hip hop fans. They think they're smart but they're actually the dumbest set of rap fans, including casuals.
 

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make a thread about the quality of writing that goes into someone's lyrics rather than their technique or rhyme scheme and I could give a shyt but I don't care if the rhyme scheme is basic af, hell I don't even care if there is no rhymes. Rapping is characterised by rhythm anyway. Rhymes are just candy.
 

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make a thread about the quality of writing that goes into someone's lyrics rather than their technique or rhyme scheme and I could give a shyt but I don't care if the rhyme scheme is basic af, hell I don't even care if there is no rhymes. Rapping is characterized by rhythm anyway. Rhymes are just candy.

This sounds goofy as shyt and basically negates the previous point
 

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i disagree

anybody could sit there and write metaphors and multis

The hardest thing to master as a rapper is vocal delivery. Being able to find the perfect sound of your voice and fitting it to the beat. Because that's something that only comes with years of practice and imagination, especially if you're rhyming over weird shyt

Any moron can write a multi. And this is why "bars" people are the woat hip hop fans. They think they're smart but they're actually the dumbest set of rap fans, including casuals.

Anybody canNOT deliver a cohesive message/story while at the same time utilizing varying rhyme patterns and techniques. That takes a high level of intelligence and attention to detail. Again, Y'all "casual" listeners stay discounting the intelligence it takes to format 16 highly detailed bars over a beat while maintaining an actual message.

This man told a cohesive story from 3 different perspectives while utilizing numerous rhyme schemes:



This is NOT an easy thing to do.

Y'all really exposing yaselves in here:pachaha:
 

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I've actually been meaning to make a thread on this topic of white people being the main ones drawn to the "technical" aspect of rap. Somebody said it verbatim: "black people couldn't care less about the technical aspect of rap".

I guess I can understand why:jbhmm:


Rap music pioneered by "black" people is the most technical, lyrically of any and all popular music forms so that would be a dumb statement and question:dwillhuh: A better way to put it would be that many "black" people don't care about the technical aspects from a nerdy POV (comparing it to European literature for example) in the way early Blues musician didn't consciously create or explain Blues by knowing European music theory in this way


The twelve-bar blues, a chromatic chord progression, is a logical formula for blues music: without the dominant's major minor seventh chord (in C: G7), the sequence does not accord with the tonal "V-I" relationship. Instead, it would be based mostly on a plagal cadence—an IV-I change (in C: F-C). The key is fully verified with the V7 (G7) chord,[16] but only after going over the subdominant (F) and tonic (C).

Additionally, the chord progression meshes elements of major and minor. The major-minor (dominant) seventh chords used on each degree alone seem to fall in some grey area between the strong, content major chord and the somber, conflicted minor chord.[citation needed] The subdominant's seventh chord is of note here, because of its odd relationship with the tonic.

In classical music, the dominant (major-minor) seventh chord on the tonic would almost certainly resolve elsewhere (rather than being resolved to), especially its subdominant (from C7: to F). While, at first it seems to resolve well to the subdominant, this is merely a tonicization (brief leave to another key), because of the earlier emphasis on the dominant seventh (C7), and because of the dominant seventh that appears on the subdominant, an element found in the Dorian mode. Traditionally, the seventh of the subdominant chord would not be flattened, as it would contradict the third of the tonic chord. This undermines the expected resolution and also questions whether the actual tonic is major or minor in quality: this seventh chord (F-A-C-E♭) resolves back to the tonic by resolving both up a step to (E♭-->E) (mediant), and down a step to from (F-->E) (leading tone); and down harmonically to I.

When returning to the I7 chord, the major third sounds like a Picardy third resolution, and the minor seventh no longer seems to resolve to the sixth (B♭-->A, the third of IV; instead it seems like a blue note that adds a tense, funky, thick color to the tonic.

but instead in this way




......when you try to make rap music from an overly technical POV, lyrically, it can end sounding soulless like alot of Eminem lyrically, post-Eminem Show.

 
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