Why is black lives matter targetting Sanders and not the GOP?

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I don't think you can make them care or change. Civil Rights movement put laws on the books but it didn't change the attitudes, biases, and psychology of man.

Also in the minds of a lot of the right Obama is their justification for their hatred of blacks.

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:mindblown: But thats the entire reason you try to get politicians to address your issues, to put laws in the books.
 

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:mindblown: But thats the entire reason you try to get politicians to address your issues, to put laws in the books.

You're not going to change individuals that's what I'm saying. There are already laws making a lot of the stuff that's been happening illegal....
 

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Also in the minds of a lot of the right Obama is their justification for their hatred of blacks.

:yeshrug:

Yea, it's Obama the man who is more educated, well spoken and better dressed than the majority of cacs.

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Not Hip hop culture, inner city murder rates, black mob violence and the culture of pants sagging "thugs" Obama spoke against.

 

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Liberals...good intentions and big ideas...no experience and rationality

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When black folks stop begging white people for respect, jobs, etc... is when change will come.
Till then...all this social media jockying, protesting, complaining aint gonna do shyt.

If these folks put this same energy into creating viable businesses...mentoring...making money, things will change...
...but thats too much like work right?

How many more laws can you make?
You cant make people act the way you want.
 

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lol what was they trying to accomplish

I like Sanders but let's not pretend his platform doesn't suffer badly from tone deafness on black issues at time (and a large chunk
of his white Liberal fans are fukkin insufferable and condescending on race :scust:) economic populism is fine but he needs to relate it better specifically to Black audiences
bu bu but, he walked with martin 50 years ago :sadcam:
 

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:mindblown: But thats the entire reason you try to get politicians to address your issues, to put laws in the books.
What do you think more laws is going to do?
You cant force people to have a different opinion.

Case in point....the drug laws.
People like to forget that black politicians voted for them...and black people voted for those politicians.

Politics can only do so much.
The ball was dropped after the Civil Rights movement.

Its about self empowerment.
 

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lol what was they trying to accomplish


bu bu but, he walked with martin 50 years ago :sadcam:
Bernie has a good platform on race and has been against numerous policies that harmed black Americans.
It's not his fault that his idiot supporters choose to only focus on his activities during the civil rights movement.
 

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lol what was they trying to accomplish


bu bu but, he walked with martin 50 years ago :sadcam:
the condescension from a lot of his white supporters ain't a good look, they are kind of like Hillary supporters in 08 (how ironic :pachaha:)
 
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I don't buy Black people invested in this pivoting to the center along with Hillary when Bernie loses
when Bernie does lose and urge his followers to follow Hillary and BLM is still going after Dems, we'll see even more of the "BLM is a GOP op" talk

if anything, Bernie presents a chance to call out fake leftism ("sewer socialism"), the limits of the Democratic Party and expose problems within progressivism by using the most "progressive" of the prominent, the most "outside" of the inside.

Keep in mind he refuses to attack/call out Hillary and pledges to support her when he loses. If anybody is the plant, it's Bernie.

and has any left-liberal actually pushed the Democrats substantially to the left?
These are the times when I wish the psycho-historians were still active to put the Liberal-Left onto the couch. The left-wing of the Democratic Party has been abused since at least the Jackson campaign, but the decades of abuse by the party establishment only draw them tighter into the grip of the abusers. They are constantly on the hunt for the Good Father and they see him in the strangest incarnations: Dennis Kucinich, Mario Cuomo, Paul Wellstone, Barack Obama. They are so desperate to be accepted, to be loved, to be coddled, that they remain completely blind to the fact that they are about to be tasered back into submission.

The Democratic Party bought into neoliberalism with the election of Carter (they’ve always been imperialistic) and the sale was completed during Clinton time. Since then there’s been no revolution or even minor rebellion inside the party. Even Bernie, the putative socialist, speaks fondly of the booming Clinton economy. How can this party be saved? Why should it? Give Bernie credit for honesty–at least. He has finally admitted what he is: a Democrat with all the baggage that comes along with that membership card and a pledge to support (and never attack) the inevitable nominee: HRC, the preeminent neoliberal politician in the world today.


It is time for a little political realism: a realism that comes from understanding who Bernie Sanders is and the role he is now playing. Bernie has inherited the time-honored role of the Pretender, an essential character in Democratic Party stagecraft. There have been other mighty figures who have strutted and fretted their way across the primary season: Gene McCarthy and Shirley Chisholm, George McGovern and Jerry Brown, Cuomo and Jesse Jackson, Bill Bradley and Patricia Schroeder, Kucinich and, yes, even Barack Obama, the Pretender who became president.


Yet, none of these insurgencies, dating back to McCarthy’s 1968 campaign, have ever moved the party even one micron to the left. Instead the DNC has lurched ever rightward, one election after the next. If nothing else, the Obama experience has demonstrated that the potency of the change agent dissolves almost instantly when dropped into the swells of the System.


The sole purpose of these insurgencies is to keep the Left locked inside of a party that no longer actively represents any of their interests. It’s a sad and hopeless confinement, a kind of political life without parole. Sure, many of the Left’s most cherished issues, from abortion rights to climate change, minimum wage to single-payer, get put “on the table” as a way to keep the backers of the losing campaign animated enough to vote in the general election. Some of these planks will even get inscribed into the Holy Writ of the Platform, where they will be promptly embalmed and entombed until the next convention.


Bernie Sanders had a choice. He could have run as the outsider he claimed to be. He could have run as an independent. He could have run as a Socialist or a Green. He could have been a threat to the immiserating status quo. But he wilted. Either because Sanders really is at heart a Democrat or because he is a political coward who feared retribution, he chose to lend credence to a party that has brutalized nearly every progressive policy he claims to champion.


Meanwhile, truly independent campaigns, the ones that forcefully challenge the neoliberal dogma and imperialistic militarism of the Democratic Party from the outside, are crushed, their candidates and supporters vilified and demonized. Go ask Ralph Nader.

& the GOP isn't even the equation for most of us, why even bring them up? :childplease:
 

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Bernie made a mistake weeks ago when responding to BLM but has been better since then. I could understand him and O'Malley flubbing it then but right now these people are being ridiculous.
 

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I don't buy Black people invested in this pivoting to the center along with Hillary when Bernie loses
when Bernie does lose and urge his followers to follow Hillary and BLM is still going after Dems, we'll see even more of the "BLM is a GOP op" talk

if anything, Bernie presents a chance to call out fake leftism ("sewer socialism"), the limits of the Democratic Party and expose problems within progressivism by using the most "progressive" of the prominent, the most "outside" of the inside.

Keep in mind he refuses to attack/call out Hillary and pledges to support her when he loses. If anybody is the plant, it's Bernie.

and has any left-liberal actually pushed the Democrats substantially to the left?

& the GOP isn't even the equation for most of us, why even bring them up? :childplease:

I disagree with your equating sewer socialism with Democratic faux-leftism. The sewer socialists were mayors and city councilmen, they worked to improve their cities and largely succeeded. Socialism is a big tent and I find the sectarian disregard they were shown in their time and now to be counterproductive.

I've come to respect Sanders' leftist credidentials a little more since he started his campaign and I got better acquainted with his positions. He's at the least a left socdem, with an idea of transforming to socialism from there I think. His calling him self a socialist despite the negative connotations and his ideas about collectives and worker owned businesses give me some hope.

It's shortsighted to only talk to democrats because they're the only ones who could possibly care. The Civil Rights Act only passed due to bipartisan support. Obviously guys like Rand Paul and Mike Lee are open to ending mass incarceration and police militarization. The odds the democrats ever gain a supermajority without any wishy washy southern or plain state conservatives is nill. There needs to be a broad coalition. At the least you'd get a news cycle in conservative press and expose the racism of the GOP candidates.

I don't get the ambivalence about the GOP candidates when you have guys ranging the spectrum from Rand Paul to Scott Walker, what arguement for ignoring a guy who spent as much time in Ferguson as any politician holds for ignoring a guy who built his career on arresting black men and is the governor of the state that imprisons the most black men per capita?
 
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