$15 Minimum Wage is KILLING Seattle.

[Doobie Doo]

be brain washed by society brehs.

Explain how I'm brainwashed????? When was the last time motherfukkas could feed a family off being a cashier at a fast food joint???

 

[KinksandCoils]

Explain how I'm brainwashed????? When was the last time motherfukkas could feed a family off being a cashier at a fast food joint???

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

This is obviously fake outrage here. Nothing to see.

Reading this made me miss lola and serious pieI gotta get back up to Seattle during the summer.

Moving back there in June

Seattle in the summer

 

[KinksandCoils]

Explain how I'm brainwashed????? When was the last time motherfukkas could feed a family off being a cashier at a fast food joint???

they never have been able to and that's the whole point. They should be able to. Just because a job isn't complicated to learn it doesn't mean that a person shouldn't be able to provide for their family.

 

[Dameon Farrow]

I used to be a restaurant manager and I can see how this is fukked up for restaurant owners. With you having to pay workers more you mad end up in the red. If you aren't in the red its becuz you cut your staff to be able to afford that $15 wage. The result will be shytty service which is horrible for your business. Either way its the small business owners who get fukked

The people who rejoice over these laws going into effect seem to forget this. And when they get ran out big conglomerate places take their place. Wal Mart has ran this game for decades.

Anybody that thinks people should get $15 an hour at any old job are just asking to lose places of work in their city.

Democrats push this stuff on purpose though. It's a way they are for big business while pretending not to be. Pointing fingers at the Republicans. At least they are more honest about their push for big business.

 

[Dameon Farrow]

People going on and on about the timeframe given to comply, do you think big businesses are gonna wait that long to institute this? I bet they put that in there to 'help' the small businesses. But how can they compete with big business that can institute it immediately even if it's only for a small amount of folks if they decide to downsize. Ya'll really can't see this game being ran.

I hate that it's tough for folks out there. But if you plan to work as a cashier for a large part of your life, maybe you don't need to have a large family at home. And if you do, the wife needs to be working too. It ain't the 50s anymore and inflation is a fact of life. Some of you are far too idealistic.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Not really. The empathy is based on a certain baseline of self-respect that society believes that people are owed. To undermine empathy is to undermine the entire basis of progressive thought. It is to undermine the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Second Bill of Rights, etc. I'm not sure what your outsourced statement means, so I cannot respond to that. I mean, we can even talk about John Rawls and "justice as fairness" and make it an issue of self-interest. But regardless, there are numerous ideas that only work in conjunction with other events and are strengthened by other occurrences. Minimum wage puts more money in the hands of society's worst off which-in conjunction with other things= a higher quality of life. Just because something does not solve the entirety of the problem does not mean we should not do it. But again, we're both talking at a surface level right now.

Wats this baseline.... where is it codified in law, and where does that include minimum pay? U look at any bill of human rights, the most it says about pay is everyone deserves equal pay w/o discrimination for a certain task. There's nothing about someone's time being worth X amount of dollars.

And the outsourcing deal is highly relevant as it speaks to a jurisdictional hypocrisy. Why is a Genius Bar's time worth no less than $15 in America, but the time of the Foxconn worker building Apple devices worth 1/10th of that for arguably equal or harder work? Should we make a company operating in the US operate under your human rights pay laws across all their subsidiaries? How much of a premium would you be willing to pay for that? Because shyt could get a lot more expensive for everybody. Companies would have less money to hire (less jobs) and people would have less money to spend (less revenue -> profits -> jobs).

Not to mention the floor varies wildly even within the US. $15/hr is living in poverty in NYC no matter how you spin it. That easily qualifies you for subsidized housing and depending on your hours welfare and Medicare too. So there is a network of entitlements that go right back into what you're talking about. Minimum wage is XYZ but at the end of the day America doesn't let people starve within its borders. Plus there are people here willing to work for much less w/o complaint. Less than federal minimum wage even. Why should your opinion count more than theirs when they are the ones actually taking these jobs?

So your legal precedents are shaky as hell and the economic ramifications of these ideas are hella dubious breh. We would do much better to pay people what their time is worth and just make their time worth more by helping them become more employable through better education and a stronger social net. Its intellectually dishonest to lump ideas together like this.

 

[Doobie Doo]

they never have been able to and that's the whole point. They should be able to. Just because a job isn't complicated to learn it doesn't mean that a person shouldn't be able to provide for their family.

You tripping. If a job isn't complicated then that means more people can do it meaning its less valuable.

If you want to get paid more then learn a trade or skill that is valuable. Fast Food is NOT CAREER unless of course you are moving up the ladder which most people bytching about minimum wage are not doing. Honestly if you older than than your mid 20's working the register at McDonald something went wrong in your life (jail, mental issue, high school dropout) etc.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Grown Adults shouldn't be working Min Wage jobs to support a family. Min wage should be reserved for College kids and HS kids. You have HS kids who can't get jobs in the summer because a 35 yr old mom has the job and needs it to support her kids and is able to work more hours. The issue at hand is we need job creation and adults need a path to be able to gain skills to work these jobs.

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

the min wage aint even at $15
so how the fukk they blaming that on closing

 

[GoPro]

If u have a job you should be able to live off of it. Society is so fukked up because it has basically brainwashed us to think its outrages for someone who works at McDonald's (for example) to be able to afford what they need. Why shouldn't they? They have to deal with nasty ass attitudes every damn day from other employes and customers, they have to stand on their feet all damn day work fast.... Their job is much more tiring then the fat bald white man sitting behind his desk ordering someone around.

Damn society got people fukked up in the head. Everyone who has a job should be able to at least afford a simple apartment paying market rent, food and a car.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Grown Adults shouldn't be working Min Wage jobs to support a family. Min wage should be reserved for College kids and HS kids. You have HS kids who can't get jobs in the summer because a 35 yr old mom has the job and needs it to support her kids and is able to work more hours. The issue at hand is we need job creation and adults need a path to be able to gain skills to work these jobs.

You tripping. If a job isn't complicated then that means more people can do it meaning its less valuable.

If you want to get paid more then learn a trade or skill that is valuable. Fast Food is NOT CAREER unless of course you are moving up the ladder which most people bytching about minimum wage are not doing. Honestly if you older than than your mid 20's working the register at McDonald something went wrong in your life (jail, mental issue, high school dropout) etc.

Yall showing yall naivete with these posts

 

[Doobie Doo]

Yall showing yall naivete with these posts

Ok this is the 2nd time some has called me naive in this post and both times NEITHER of you stated the reason why? EXPLAIN WHY I AM NAIVE then so I can shut your argument down.

 

[Cynic]

If u have a job you should be able to live off of it. Society is so fukked up because it has basically brainwashed us to think its outrages for someone who works at McDonald's (for example) to be able to afford what they need. Why shouldn't they? They have to deal with nasty ass attitudes every damn day from other employes and customers, they have to stand on their feet all damn day work fast.... Their job is much more tiring then the fat bald white man sitting behind his desk ordering someone around.

Damn society got people fukked up in the head. Everyone who has a job should be able to at least afford a simple apartment paying market rent, food and a car.

Who cares ? This is America .... the richest, most abundant nation on the planet

If they don't like working at McDees...get a skill or create value

Compared to the rest of the world...everyday is a holiday in the West

 

[Paper Boi]

most of the ones closing were probably already in the red and in denial about their business failing anyway. the restaurant business is one of the hardest out there. there are probably hundreds of restaurants are closing across this country every day that aren't paying people $15. the ones that were doing great business won't shut down. instead they'll make other budget cuts to try and compensate for the lost wages/try other tricks to get skirt paying people $15 i.e. some people gonna lose jobs and get worked harder. still most businesses going under on this shyt weren't turning much of a profit or were probably already deep in the red like most non-chain restaurants i see open every year.