2001 LAKERS or this 2017 Warriors team? Who u got?

2001 Kobe and Shaq Lakers or these Warriors


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The 01 Lakers averaged 101ppg vs the Sixers in the finals and Derek Fisher was their 3rd option, he poured in 10ppg.

The Lakers had Kobe and Shaq, Kobe averaged 24ppg on 41% vs the Sixers, Shaq averaged 33ppg. The Lakers don't have the weapons outside of Kobe & Shaq to keep pace with the offense of the Warriors, and it wasn't like they were a great defensive team.

Those same Lakers blew past everybody in the Western Conference, even your precious Spurs. Are you saying Golden State would murder the Spurs too?

These dudes can't stop LeBron from going to the hole whenever he wants but, they would stop Shaq? They'd all be in foul trouble every game. Pachulia & Green trying to guard Shaq :dead:
 

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Those same Lakers blew past everybody in the Western Conference, even your precious Spurs. Are you saying Golden State would murder the Spurs too?

These dudes can't stop LeBron from going to the hole whenever he wants but, they would stop Shaq? They'd all be in foul trouble every game. Pachulia & Green trying to guard Shaq :dead:


:dead: Just because I like Duncan means I need to overrate his teams? I already posted about them -

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This Cavs team is better than the 2001 Spurs, the fukk are you talking about? They had Antonio Daniels, Terry Porter and Danny Ferry starting with Duncan and Robinson. Robinson was 35, Ferry was 34 and Porter was 37 :camby:


Cot damn man, you overrate the shyt out of everything from the past.


"They can't stop LeBron" like he's not surrounded by 3-4 shooters in every lineup, like the Cavs didn't just hit 24 cot damn threes.

Yes or no, could the Lakers stop the Warriors offense?
 
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:dead: Just because I like Duncan means I need to overrate his teams? I already posted about them -




"They can't stop LeBron" like he's not surrounded by 3-4 shooters in every lineup, like the Cavs didn't just hit 24 cot damn threes.

Yes or no, could the Lakers stop the Warriors offense?

:russell: They hit 24 3's in part because the Warriors defense was atrocious and just a minute ago you said that's the only way the Warriors could take an L but last game everyone knows the Cavs mismanaged the clock something serious. Warriors would have dropped games against the Spurs too if Leonard didn't go down. :manny:

Lakers only dropped a game because of a superhuman effort from Iverson
 

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:dead: Just because I like Duncan means I need to overrate his teams? I already posted about them -




"They can't stop LeBron" like he's not surrounded by 3-4 shooters in every lineup, like the Cavs didn't just hit 24 cot damn threes.

Yes or no, could the Lakers stop the Warriors offense?

Fox (.393), Fisher (.397) and Horry (.346) were all capable of hitting the three along with Bryant (.305). They shot better than Bean beyond the arc.

Nobody was taking 25 threes a game in 2001. If you dropped them in 2017 they would adapt....all them guys could still shoot.

LeBron bullying his way to the hole WHENEVER he wants. Shaq had about 80 pounds on him. What do you think Shaq would've done bruh :gucci: They would've had to keep a constant double or triple team on Shaq. There would have been none of this run and gun a mile of minute game speed happening. Shaq would have slowed the game down and had that team banged up and worn out from trying to guard him. You overrating Golden State and playing down what made LA hard to beat.
 

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Shaq averaged 33 points / 15 rebounds a game against the Defensive Player of the Year.

Explain how this doesn't end up a crime scene for Pachulia?
 

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:russell: They hit 24 3's in part because the Warriors defense was atrocious and just a minute ago you said that's the only way the Warriors could take an L but last game everyone knows the Cavs mismanaged the clock something serious. Warriors would have dropped games against the Spurs too if Leonard didn't go down. :manny:

Lakers only dropped a game because of a superhuman effort from Iverson


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So AI has a superhuman effort, yet Kyrie doesn't? And the Cavs collectively hitting 24 threes isn't a superhuman effort.

The game the Cavs played tonight shreds defenses, please tell me the defense you can play on Kyrie's dribble pull up 3, or JR Smith hitting a three from the logo. The Cavs have several high volume, high percentage shooters and spread you out, no defense is built to stop the kind of offense teams play today because they are all targeting your rotations and not 1 singular defender.
 

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LeBron: 6"8, 250lbs (probably closer to 240lbs)

Completely bulldozes the Warriors interior D

Shaq: 7"1, 325lbs (probably closer to 330lbs :russ:)

Cmon breh. Which Warriors player is guarding him and do they plan on leaving that player on Shaq by himself? :russ:
 

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Fox (.393), Fisher (.397) and Horry (.346) were all capable of hitting the three along with Bryant (.305). They shot better than Bean beyond the arc.

Nobody was taking 25 threes a game in 2001. If you dropped them in 2017 they would adapt....all them guys could still shoot.

LeBron bullying his way to the hole WHENEVER he wants. Shaq had about 80 pounds on him. What do you think Shaq would've done bruh :gucci: They would've had to keep a constant double or triple team on Shaq. There would have been none of this run and gun a mile of minute game speed happening. Shaq would have slowed the game down and had that team banged up and worn out from trying to guard him. You overrating Golden State and playing down what made LA hard to beat.


I like how you left out the attempts with those percentages :mjgrin:

Kobe - 2.9
Horry - 2.0
Fox - 3.7
Fisher - 3.2

Curry is probably taking more threes in the playoffs by himself :mjlol: and at a higher percentage.



The Lakers didn't slow down the pace of the Kings, they were simply better than them but they played at the Kings pace, same with the Nets. I don't get it, you watch the Cavs come down the court and whittle the clock down to around 6 seconds on every possession, yet the Warriors have controlled the pace of the series because they push the ball when they get it. Nevermind the fact they already proved they can score at a slower pace against the Jazz who basically shoot with 3 seconds on the shot clock.

Shaq being involved in pick and rolls all game long and getting him out of the paint isn't something they can "adapt" for without overhauling the team and becoming something that isn't the 2001. You keep saying who will guard Shaq, how will Shaq guard the high screens? You act like the Lakers wouldn't have to send help every single time Curry or Durant got him in a screen, he was never good at guarding picks, ever. But, against a team that runs it pretty much all game he's going to simply adapt? They made Rudy Gobert look like a fool on defense at times, and he's a much better defender on switches than Shaq.
 
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So AI has a superhuman effort, yet Kyrie doesn't? And the Cavs collectively hitting 24 threes isn't a superhuman effort.

The game the Cavs played tonight shreds defenses, please tell me the defense you can play on Kyrie's dribble pull up 3, or JR Smith hitting a three from the logo. The Cavs have several high volume, high percentage shooters and spread you out, no defense is built to stop the kind of offense teams play today because they are all targeting your rotations and not 1 singular defender.

Bruh I'm not arguing that point, the Cavs can spread teams out but they have a lot of games where those shots aren't falling, the difference is the shots are always there.. the warriors defense is very much overrated, we just saw last game Love go 1-9 and why? Was it because the Warriors were doing something different? No, it's because open shots didn't fall.

But back to the original point, Shaq can't be dealt with we went over that. How is Kobe being dealt with? This is a guy who was averaging 30+ in the mid 2000s.. in 2017 you have Harden averaging 29. Kobe is far superior. How would he be contained, I don't see it. :ehh:
 

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Bruh I'm not arguing that point, the Cavs can spread teams out but they have a lot of games where those shots aren't falling, the difference is the shots are always there.. the warriors defense is very much overrated, we just saw last game Love go 1-9 and why? Was it because the Warriors were doing something different? No, it's because open shots didn't fall.

But back to the original point, Shaq can't be dealt with we went over that. How is Kobe being dealt with? This is a guy who was averaging 30+ in the mid 2000s.. in 2017 you have Harden averaging 29. Kobe is far superior. How would he be contained, I don't see it. :ehh:


Do you really want me to tell you all of Kobes finals averages from those years? I literally just told you what he averaged vs the Sixers in 2001 which is what this thread is about?

And nobody has ever said the Warriors would stop Shaq or Kobe, the question is always How do the Lakers stop them, and where is the extra scoring going to come from OUTSIDE of Kobe and Shaq. They did not have a 3rd option, and eventually that is how the Spurs beat them, because they got nothing from anyone outside of Kobe & Shaq.
 

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Fox (.393), Fisher (.397) and Horry (.346) were all capable of hitting the three along with Bryant (.305). They shot better than Bean beyond the arc.

Nobody was taking 25 threes a game in 2001. If you dropped them in 2017 they would adapt....all them guys could still shoot.

LeBron bullying his way to the hole WHENEVER he wants. Shaq had about 80 pounds on him. What do you think Shaq would've done bruh :gucci: They would've had to keep a constant double or triple team on Shaq. There would have been none of this run and gun a mile of minute game speed happening. Shaq would have slowed the game down and had that team banged up and worn out from trying to guard him. You overrating Golden State and playing down what made LA hard to beat.

Its like shaq didn't bang up Mutumbo...& Mutumbo was DPOY & glued to him. They would have to double Shaq. Horace Grant could still get buckets & now you single covering bean. Warriors would have to hope bean would make dumb decisions...but 1999-2002 Kobe wasn't pyscho yet.

However pyscho bean birthed the 3 pointer off the dribble they praise curry for because curry makes em at a better clip.
 

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Do you really want me to tell you all of Kobes finals averages from those years? I literally just told you what he averaged vs the Sixers in 2001 which is what this thread is about?

And nobody has ever said the Warriors would stop Shaq or Kobe, the question is always How do the Lakers stop them, and where is the extra scoring going to come from OUTSIDE of Kobe and Shaq. They did not have a 3rd option, and eventually that is how the Spurs beat them, because they got nothing from anyone outside of Kobe & Shaq.
It's not like Kobe was some mythical finals performer who always gave legendary showings either. He averaged 15 on 36% shooting in 2000 when matched up with Reggie miller. If he were a pro wrestler in 2004, his entrance theme would've been sabotage by the beastie boys. He shot 40% both times he played Boston, and a below average 43% even in his 2009 series against Orlando. He had just one single finals where he even shot at an average rate.
 

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Do you really want me to tell you all of Kobes finals averages from those years? I literally just told you what he averaged vs the Sixers in 2001 which is what this thread is about?

And nobody has ever said the Warriors would stop Shaq or Kobe, the question is always How do the Lakers stop them, and where is the extra scoring going to come from OUTSIDE of Kobe and Shaq. They did not have a 3rd option, and eventually that is how the Spurs beat them, because they got nothing from anyone outside of Kobe & Shaq.

2001. Horace Grant could still get buckets. Robert Horry could get buckets.

Isiah Rider could probably cook something up along with George.
 
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Do you really want me to tell you all of Kobes finals averages from those years? I literally just told you what he averaged vs the Sixers in 2001 which is what this thread is about?

And nobody has ever said the Warriors would stop Shaq or Kobe, the question is always How do the Lakers stop them, and where is the extra scoring going to come from OUTSIDE of Kobe and Shaq. They did not have a 3rd option, and eventually that is how the Spurs beat them, because they got nothing from anyone outside of Kobe & Shaq.

Extra scoring is coming from Kobe and Shaq. In 2001 you have the DPOY against Shaq and he's light work. If the plan from the Warriors is to not double Shaq, how is he not going to go off on Zaza or a 6'6" Draymond? seriously?

Kobe is getting to the line every time he wants it. I don't see how that's debatable. Also, in 2017 your Kobes, Fishers, Foxs, Horry's are all becoming better 3 point shooters than they even were because now that's a shot they are practicing more often, they make it a larger part of their arsenal.
 
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