2004 Pistons vs 2008 Celtics in a playoff series

[Poitier]

Also, @Poitier you always bring up rule changes, well the 08 Celtics were locking people up without the benefit of handchecking under the new set of rules

Imagine how good they would have been on defense if they were allowed to play physical defense like the Pistons

The Celtics were locking up garbage teams....we both know this
Your beloved 05 Spurs were better than that Celtics team and needed a Robert Horry miracle to not lose that series to a similar roster

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

They would cancel each other out honestly, you really think KG would just wash him?? Not having any all defense doesn't mean he was a slouch on defense

Garnett was a vastly superior player to sheed. That's not debatable.

 

[Malta]

The Celtics defense is inflated by playing bum defenses
The Pistons offense is devalued because they were still meshing with Sheed
This isn't rocket science
Like I said, Chauncey is the FMVP of that series and the difference with his ability to continually take Rondo into the post. Prince can be left on an island with Pierce or Allen tbh and Pistons can send multiple bodies at KG while playing completely off Rondo.

Nope, the Celtics were playing wide open offenses without the handchecking rules, right? You can't bring up handchecking left and right in other threads, but then try and turn a blind eye to the fact the Celtics defense post rule changes was just as good as the Pistons with it.

Prince can be left on an island vs Pierce? Pierce averaged 20ppg on 49% shooting in 08 vs him, you gonna tell me a 27 year old Prince was washed by then next? When points are at a premium, you're not winning a series giving up 20ppg on 49% shooting, especially when your own team couldn't score 80ppg against a similar defense.

 

[Remote]

Also, @Poitier you always bring up rule changes, well the 08 Celtics were locking people up without the benefit of handchecking under the new set of rules

Imagine how good they would have been on defense if they were allowed to play physical defense like the Pistons

Subs this comment because of your acknowledgment that the older rules were effective.

 

[Silkk]

To be honest, in 2004, it was more like the Lakers lost rather than the Pistons won.

No the fukk it wasn't

They whipped our ass all up & down Staples and the palace.

That bullshyt ass 2-3-2 definitely helped tho

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Nope, the Celtics were playing wide open offenses without the handchecking rules, right? You can't bring up handchecking left and right in other threads, but then try and turn a blind eye to the fact the Celtics defense post rule changes was just as good as the Pistons with it.

Prince can be left on an island vs Pierce? Pierce averaged 20ppg on 49% shooting in 08 vs him, you gonna tell me a 27 year old Prince was washed by then next? When points are at a premium, you're not winning a series giving up 20ppg on 49% shooting, especially when your own team couldn't score 80ppg against a similar defense.

:lolsheed: That pistons team was pushed to its limit by the struggle ball nets too. People need to stop acting like they'd be anything more than a footnote of who the lakers beat in the finals if Kobe would've just prioritized winning instead of out scoring Shaq.

 

[Poitier]

Prince can be left on an island vs Pierce? Pierce averaged 20ppg on 49% shooting in 08 vs him, you gonna tell me a 27 year old Prince was washed by then next?

Yes, he would. Pierce aint Kobe or Wade and Prince did an effective job on both in 04 and 05. Pierce might get something like 20 ppg on 40%. All facts.

How are the Celtics going to defend Chauncey taking Rondo into the post without creating another crazy mismatch in the Pistons favor?

 

[Malta]

The Celtics were locking up garbage teams....we both know this
Your beloved 05 Spurs were better than that Celtics team and needed a Robert Horry miracle to not lose that series to a similar roster

Only on the Coli is the 00-06 era of basketball heralded as some great era


When do you see me talking about the 05 Spurs as an all-time great? The Celtics were locking up better offenses without the benefit of handchecking. You can't have it both ways, you can't say the handchecking rules led to more offense, then try and discredit the Celtics defense going against those very same offensive minded teams.

 

[William F. Russell]

No the fukk it wasn't

They whipped our ass all up & down Staples and the palace.

That bullshyt ass 2-3-2 definitely helped tho

Breh, the Lakers then had Shaq, Malone, Kobe and Payton and managed to beef amongst each other and with coaching/management. That squad was the OVERWHELMING favorite to win and probably would've were it not for the Shaq and Kobe beef, Shaq's beef w/management, and Kobe's beef w/Phil.

The Pistons capitalized on the Lakers' arrogance, infighting and lack of focus.

 

[Malta]

Yes, he would. Pierce aint Kobe or Wade and Prince did an effective job on both in 04 and 05. Pierce might get something like 20 ppg on 40%. All facts.

How are the Celtics going to defend Chauncey taking Rondo into the post without creating another crazy mismatch in the Pistons favor?

Pierce doesn't need to be Kobe or Wade, he has Allen and KG with him, again Pierce shot 49% playing against Prince in 08, he was on an island then.

Beloved, Billups averaged 16ppg on 39% shooting in the playoffs that year, why are you trying to make him sound like Kyrie or Curry?

 

[Poitier]

Only on the Coli is the 00-06 era of basketball heralded as some great era


When do you see me talking about the 05 Spurs as an all-time great? The Celtics were locking up better offenses without the benefit of handchecking. You can't have it both ways, you can't say the handchecking rules led to more offense, then try and discredit the Celtics defense going against those very same offensive minded teams.

The 05 Suns, my nikka?

 

[Malta]

Subs this comment because of your acknowledgment that the older rules were effective.

I'm just using his own arguments against him

 

[Primetime]

I love that '04 Piston team and their '05 version that took the Spurs to 7 is probably my all time scrappy team ever

but the '08 Celtics, '10 Lakers, '11 Mavs, '13 Heat, '14 Spurs and the Warriors/Cavs of the past years would be a pain in the ass for them. Most of those teams played pretty damn good defense while being monstrous offensively. The pistons may very well have been better defensively than most/all of them (dunno what the advanced stats say) but I don't think they'd have the offense to keep up.. esp with the type of comparable defense they'd be facing.

 

[Malta]

The 05 Suns, my nikka?

I didn't say anything about the Suns

 

[Remote]

:lolsheed: That pistons team was pushed to its limit by the struggle ball nets too. People need to stop acting like they'd be anything more than a footnote of who the lakers beat in the finals if Kobe would've just prioritized winning instead of out scoring Shaq.

Oh shyt