2004 Pistons vs 2008 Celtics in a playoff series

[Silkk]

Stop it with your revisionist history.

Again, the Lakers had one, two, three, FOUR future HOFers on that roster. They were the team to beat that season.

This ain't no revisionist history, I said this shyt at the time

Once they got Sheed, they hit a level that nobody else was on. It doesn't matter how many HOFers we had. They were the better TEAM. Plus malone was hurt, and GP wasn't doing shyt. Luke Walton did more vs them than Malone & Payton

 

[Malta]

Thank you for being truthful.

Its nice to know some people were actually around during that time an don't have to rely on decontextualized boxscores.

You once tried to use AST% against me, you not about to pretend you don't use stats for those that don't know you

 

[Poitier]

You once tried to use AST% against me, you not about to pretend you don't use stats for those that don't know you

I wont deter you guys from believing in RealGM forum narratives

 

[Remote]

The 08 Celtics had a better offense and defense than the 05 Spurs, playing under the same set of rules, how were the Spurs better? I don't overrate teams just because my favorite player is on them.

It's not always cut and dry.

Who had the better offensive and defensive ratings last June?

:yousure:

Don't mind me. I'm just having fun with these replies


Also Pop outcoaches Doc every time.

 

[William F. Russell]

This ain't no revisionist history, I said this shyt at the time

Once they got Sheed, they hit a level that nobody else was on. It doesn't matter how many HOFers we had. They were the better TEAM. Plus malone was hurt, and GP wasn't doing shyt. Luke Walton did more vs them than Malone & Payton

Were you saying this back in 2004?

 

[FlyRy]

To be honest, in 2004, it was more like the Lakers lost rather than the Pistons won.

Kobe put up one of the most pathetic finals ever. Breh shot 38% for the field (Ricky Rubio is even blushing) and 17% from 3 (), while chucking them out of the series and not feeding shaq who was shooting 63%

 

[Silkk]

Were you saying this back in 2004?

Yes, I saw how they "clicked" when Sheed came on and knew it was a wrap. We had a lot of issues people look back with revisionist history and overlook.

Kobe pulling the miracles in Portland to win the division
0.4

Without those, we don't even make the finals

 

[William F. Russell]

Kobe put up one of the most pathetic finals ever. Breh shot 38% for the field (Ricky Rubio is even blushing) and 17% from 3 (), while chucking them out of the series and not feeding shaq who was shooting 63%

I personally believe he threw that series out of pettiness stemming from his feud with Shaq. He was actively avoiding passing the ball to Shaq.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

I personally believe he threw that series out of pettiness stemming from his feud with Shaq. He was actively avoiding passing the ball to Shaq.

Kobe put up one of the most pathetic finals ever. Breh shot 38% for the field (Ricky Rubio is even blushing) and 17% from 3 (), while chucking them out of the series and not feeding shaq who was shooting 63%

Shaq averaged 4 more points on 6 fewer shots each game. 26.6 points on 16.8 shots compared to 22.6 points on 22.6 shots . Game 1 Shaq goes 13-16 while Kobe goes 10-27 . Game 4 Shaq goes 16-21 while Kobe goes 8-25 . Game 5 Shaq goes 7-13 while Kobe goes 7-21 . Billups is on record saying the game plan was play Shaq straight up because of he starts going off then they knew Kobe was gonna start to press and stop passing Shaq the ball and go isolation instead . Make your selfishness so obvious that your opponent doesn't double Shaq because they know if he gets going that you'll stop passing the ball to him

 

[DIMES]

Billups > Rondo

Allen > Rip

Pierce > Tayshaun

KG tied with Sheed

Wallace > perkins

This is a dead even matchup honestly, I gotta go with Detroit though, because they were locked in defensively. Their starting five IMO were great defenders.

I'm done with thecoli today

 

[Silkk]

Shaq averaged 4 more points on 6 fewer shots each game. 26.6 points on 16.8 shots compared to 22.6 points on 22.6 shots . Game 1 Shaq goes 13-16 while Kobe goes 10-27 . Game 4 Shaq goes 16-21 while Kobe goes 8-25 . Game 5 Shaq goes 7-13 while Kobe goes 7-21 . Billups is on record saying the game plan was play Shaq straight up because of he starts going off then they knew Kobe was gonna start to press and stop passing Shaq the ball and go isolation instead . Make your selfishness so obvious that your opponent doesn't double Shaq because they know if he gets going that you'll stop passing the ball to him

Damned if he do, Damned if he don't

When Bryant Doesn't Shoot First, Questions Asked Later

Spoiler

When Bryant Doesn't Shoot First, Questions Asked Later
April 12, 2004|J.A. Adande


SACRAMENTO — This is the paradox of Kobe Bryant: By passing so much he might have played his most selfish game of the year.

Something strange was going on here, something not revealed in the box score and not discussed by the Lakers afterward, but something unavoidable to anyone who watched Bryant's play during the Lakers' 102-85 loss to the Sacramento Kings at Arco Arena.

Bryant didn't want to shoot in the first half. Practically refused to shoot.

Was it his way of shutting up the teammates who complained after he fired up 72 shots in the previous three games (two of which the Lakers lost)? Was it his way of demonstrating once and for all that the Lakers need him to do his thing in order to be successful? If so, wasn't this first-place divisional showdown the absolute wrong time to prove it?

What's up with Kobe?

These were the loudest, most frequently asked questions on a day that crashed the Lakers' chances of getting home-court advantage beyond the first round of the playoffs and raised serious doubts about their championship mettle.

 

[Malta]

Who had the better offensive and defensive ratings last June?

The Cavs had the highest ORTG during the playoffs

 

[Mr. Manhattan]

Celtics

 

[TrebleMan]

I'm not a fan of the "x beat y and y beat z so x can beat z" argument when it comes to sports, but whatever because it's all theory land.

But I think the 04 Lakers would've bodied the 08 Celtics fwiw.

I do think 04 Pistons got real lucky vs the Lakers that year, but I also think they had the formula for it. Plus remember, the Kobe rules were implemented after that series.

I think it 04 Pistons/08 Celtics goes 7 games. Too hard to call.

 

[FTBS]

The fat and sassy Pistons were able to take 2 games off of them in 08 (which was actually the worst that any East team did against them). While the C's are better on paper (on the offensive end) they didn't always play like it that year. So I think the 04 Pistons, who where just as hungry and out to prove something could have beaten them.