2004 Pistons vs 2008 Celtics in a playoff series

[Poitier]

Pierce doesn't need to be Kobe or Wade, he has Allen and KG with him, again Pierce shot 49% playing against Prince in 08, he was on an island then.

Beloved, Billups averaged 16ppg on 39% shooting in the playoffs that year, why are you trying to make him sound like Kyrie or Curry?

Chauncey put up 21 ppg on 70 TS% in the finals thats why Im bringing up

Sheed was an elite post defender along with the help defender playing 15 feet off Rondo....what about KG?

Allen aint winning shyt for the Celtics

 

[Malta]

:lolsheed: That pistons team was pushed to its limit by the struggle ball nets too. People need to stop acting like they'd be anything more than a footnote of who the lakers beat in the finals if Kobe would've just prioritized winning instead of out scoring Shaq.

They scored 75ppg vs the Pacers, over the course of 6 games, 75 points........


They had 2 games where they failed to score 70 points in a game

 

[Lefty Gunz]

Billups > Rondo

Allen > Rip

Pierce > Tayshaun

KG tied with Sheed

Wallace > perkins

This is a dead even matchup honestly, I gotta go with Detroit though, because they were locked in defensively. Their starting five IMO were great defenders.

 

[Poitier]

I didn't say anything about the Suns

Name these offenses that the Celtics locked down that were better

 

[Malta]

Chauncey put up 21 ppg on 70 TS% in the finals thats why Im bringing up

Sheed was an elite post defender along with the help defender playing 15 feet off Rondo....what about KG?

Allen aint winning shyt for the Celtics

You mentioning Billups numbers vs the Lakers who were clearly overmatched against a younger and more athletic team. How would Rondo slow down Billups? shyt why don't we ask Jamal Tinsley, he held Chauncey to 13ppg on 36% during that finals run.


Breh, you talking about "stopping" a team that averaged 75ppg against the same level of defense the Celtics could bring........I'm sorry but we already got a window into how the Pistons looked against a Celtics type D.

 

[Poitier]

You mentioning Billups numbers vs the Lakers who were clearly overmatched against a younger and more athletic team. How would Rondo slow down Billups? shyt why don't we ask Jamal Tinsley, he held Chauncey to 13ppg on 36% during that finals run.


Breh, you talking about "stopping" a team that averaged 75ppg against the same level of defense the Celtics could bring........I'm sorry but we already got a window into how the Pistons looked against a Celtics type D.

Everyone shot terrible in that series and they were still adjusting to Sheed

Most players have a bad series during a finals run....we both know thats a deadly mismatch in the favor of Chauncey

 

[Malta]

Name these offenses that the Celtics locked down that were better

Why'd you say 05 Suns in relation to the 08 Celtics


The league wide offensive rating was 107.5 when the Celtics held teams to 98.9.
The league wide offensive rating was 102.9 when the Pistons held teams to 95.9


The Celtics had a better defense relative to the league they played in, so who were all these great offensive teams in 04

 

[Poitier]

Why'd you say 05 Suns in relation to the 08 Celtics


The league wide offensive rating was 107.5 when the Celtics held teams to 98.9.
The league wide offensive rating was 102.9 when the Pistons held teams to 95.9


The Celtics had a better defense relative to the league they played in, so who were all these great offensive teams in 04

We was talking about the 05 Spurs bruh
The Pistons were the better team that year but had mental lapses
That Spurs team was better than that 08 Celtics team
and yes its fair to bring up 05 if you bring up the 08 Pistons

 

[Malta]

Everyone shot terrible in that series and they were still adjusting to Sheed

Most players have a bad series during a finals run....we both know thats a deadly mismatch in the favor of Chauncey

So many excuses How about they went against a team with a great defense that locked them up, lucky for them they played in 04 when shytty offenses were the norm.

No, that's not a deadly mismatch, his upper tier scoring basically tops out at 21.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

I love that '04 Piston team and their '05 version that took the Spurs to 7 is probably my all time scrappy team ever

but the '08 Celtics, '10 Lakers, '11 Mavs, '13 Heat, '14 Spurs and the Warriors/Cavs of the past years would be a pain in the ass for them. Most of those teams played pretty damn good defense while being monstrous offensively. The pistons may very well have been better defensively than most/all of them (dunno what the advanced stats say) but I don't think they'd have the offense to keep up.. esp with the type of comparable defense they'd be facing.

The pistons had a defensive rating of 95.2, good for second in the league that year just as a point of reference of how bad offense was when both the zone and hand checking were allowed. One of the two had to go. Pistons/pacers games would be under 70 points each in the final minutes. They were better on defense than those teams and were likely better on the glass, but they couldn't shoot from distance for shyt. The Celtics and mavericks in particular would zone them heavy and force a lot of long 2's while having enough shooters to space the floor themselves (Dallas had seven players in their rotation who could shoot from distance while Detroit had 2-3 at the most), while Miami had simply too much speed and athleticism to match with on each end, not to mention LeBron and Wade, and no defense can hold up for long against an offense that moves the ball as well as those spurs or hits 3's at a rate like them or Miami or the Warriors can. Detroit had a great run, but that offense was straight

Oh shyt

And I liked that Detroit team. If sheed was in 2k I'd play as them all the time. They couldn't score at a high volume or efficiency, didn't have shooters, and couldn't play at a fast pace if the other team started to get out and run.

They scored 75ppg vs the Pacers, over the course of 6 games, 75 points........


They had 2 games where they failed to score 70 points in a game

The offenses of that era . To think that's after a series where they averaged 83 points against New Jersey. Horrid.

 

[Silkk]

Breh, the Lakers then had Shaq, Malone, Kobe and Payton and managed to beef amongst each other and with coaching/management. That squad was the OVERWHELMING favorite to win and probably would've were it not for the Shaq and Kobe beef, Shaq's beef w/management, and Kobe's beef w/Phil.

The Pistons capitalized on the Lakers' arrogance, infighting and lack of focus.

No, once the Pistons got sheed that february they were clearly on another level from everyone else. He was the missing piece. We were not beating those guys no matter what.

 

[William F. Russell]

No, once the Pistons got sheed that february they were clearly on another level from everyone else. He was the missing piece. We were not beating those guys no matter what.

Stop it with your revisionist history.

Again, the Lakers had one, two, three, FOUR future HOFers on that roster. They were the team to beat that season.

 

[Malta]

We was talking about the 05 Spurs bruh
The Pistons were the better team that year but had mental lapses
That Spurs team was better than that 08 Celtics team
and yes its fair to bring up 05 if you bring up the 08 Pistons

The 08 Celtics had a better offense and defense than the 05 Spurs, playing under the same set of rules, how were the Spurs better? I don't overrate teams just because my favorite player is on them.

 

[Poitier]

No, once the Pistons got sheed that february they were clearly on another level from everyone else. He was the missing piece. We were not beating those guys no matter what.

Thank you for being truthful.

Its nice to know some people were actually around during that time an don't have to rely on decontextualized boxscores.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Name these offenses that the Celtics locked down that were better

They played 2 games against the suns. 2 games out of 82 games. That's less than 3% of their schedule. at you using two regular season games (one of which was the first month of the season) as a barometer of what they could do. Detroit was 54-28 on the year. Boston was 66-16 on the year. Twelve fukking games difference. It's been amusing to watch your arguments get worse with each post, but this is pitiful.