2014 Nba Off Season Thread

[Ben.]

There is no way that Minnesota is winning 45 games in the West with a roster loaded with maybes and perennial losers.

30-35 if they're lucky - and they should be tanking.

I'm with you on that, they're not winning 35 games in the West, might as well take some extra L's for better positioning for a nice lotto pick

 

[The War Report]

Ok.

So.... then...

 

[tremonthustler1]

I'm with you on that, they're not winning 35 games in the West, might as well take some extra L's for better positioning for a nice lotto pick

FOR WHAT? FOR WHO?

Do you not understand why taking extra L's is a ridiculous idea?


If they'd tank, then clearly what they have on their shyt ain't shyt and won't be shyt because you can have all the young talent in the world. You're not gonna go from 20 wins to 60 in one year by simply telling them "ok you can stop losing on purpose now" By then they're too used to losing and would rather leave.

If they win 35 games with that roster (which could EASILY happen-- Kevin Love is NOT KG, people) then a lot of progress was made to the point where they can be one of those playoff teams very soon. Otherwise you're tanking to tank and you shouldn't be in the Big 10 let alone the NBA

 

[42 Monks]

FOR WHAT? FOR WHO?

Do you not understand why taking extra L's is a ridiculous idea?


If they'd tank, then clearly what they have on their shyt ain't shyt and won't be shyt because you can have all the young talent in the world. You're not gonna go from 20 wins to 60 in one year by simply telling them "ok you can stop losing on purpose now" By then they're too used to losing and would rather leave.

If they win 35 games with that roster (which could EASILY happen-- Kevin Love is NOT KG, people) then a lot of progress was made to the point where they can be one of those playoff teams very soon. Otherwise you're tanking to tank and you shouldn't be in the Big 10 let alone the NBA

I see we struck a nerve

 

[Ben.]

FOR WHAT? FOR WHO?

Do you not understand why taking extra L's is a ridiculous idea?


If they'd tank, then clearly what they have on their shyt ain't shyt and won't be shyt because you can have all the young talent in the world. You're not gonna go from 20 wins to 60 in one year by simply telling them "ok you can stop losing on purpose now" By then they're too used to losing and would rather leave.

If they win 35 games with that roster (which could EASILY happen-- Kevin Love is NOT KG, people) then a lot of progress was made to the point where they can be one of those playoff teams very soon. Otherwise you're tanking to tank and you shouldn't be in the Big 10 let alone the NBA

It can not "easily" happen, it's highly unlikely with the lack of rim protection (still), even a bigger lack of a go to scorer in the 4th (is Wiggins going to be looked upon with his weak offensive game?). Kevin Love was a high impact player and just by losing him you lose a good amount of games. Is Young and Mo gonna stay? Will Pekovic want to stay in this situation? Gonna need more player ya know.

 

[tremonthustler1]

I see we struck a nerve

you didn't. It's just a retarded idea. The Philly route hasn't even worked for Philly. If you feel you have your core and your franchise player, go for it. What do you have to lose? A helluva lot less than what you would be giving your players 60 reasons a year to not wanna be there.

 

[tremonthustler1]

It can not "easily" happen, it's highly unlikely with the lack of rim protection (still), even a bigger lack of a go to scorer in the 4th (is Wiggins going to be looked upon with his weak offensive game?). Kevin Love was a high impact player and just by losing him you lose a good amount of games. Is Young and Mo gonna stay? Will Pekovic want to stay in this situation? Gonna need more player ya know.

More Dieng = more rim protection.

as for lack of a go to scorer in the 4th, they lost every close game they had, and that was WITH Love (and that's due to a bunch of different reasons besides scoring-- coaching, Barea, Barea, Barea, coaching, defense, Barea. How could it get worse in that department?

I'll ask you this. Did you watch the T'Wolves play without Kevin Love and think "damn had he been out there they woulda won tonight?"

Is Young and Mo gonna stay? Will Pekovic want to stay in this situation?

By willingly losing games, you'd be answering that question for them. And even if you're adding more talented rookies (which is not a guarantee), all you'd be doing is teaching them how to lose, and when do you plan on breaking that cycle?


The ONLY justifiable excuse for tanking on this team is if it causes Glen Taylor to sell the team, and to that I say you're better off shooting him.

 

[42 Monks]

you didn't. It's just a retarded idea. The Philly route hasn't even worked for Philly. If you feel you have your core and your franchise player, go for it. What do you have to lose? A helluva lot less than what you would be giving your players 60 reasons a year to not wanna be there.

Philly isn't tanking. Philly is digging up graves. No team has tanked harder than they have - and their plan still isn't done yet either. They aren't trying to win at all. Obviously. They're the only planned 5+ year tank project that I can actually think of. And the weird thing is, they actually needed to do it.

Minnesota has nothing but a lot of young kids. They're in the same boat as Utah. Take the Ls so you don't end up like Detroit or something.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Philly isn't tanking. Philly is digging up graves. No team has tanked harder than they have - and their plan still isn't done yet either. They aren't trying to win at all. Obviously. They're the only planned 5+ year tank project that I can actually think of. And the weird thing is, they actually needed to do it.

Minnesota has nothing but a lot of young kids. They're in the same boat as Utah. Take the Ls so you don't end up like Detroit or something.

Here's the difference.

Some of those guys have been in the playoffs before. Some of those guys know what it takes and just need to figure out how to get there as the vets instead of the kids. They haven't been through a 10 year drought hanging over their heads where nobody trusts the direction of the organization. They decided to blow it up after being an 8th seed. The Wolves haven't seen that in a decade. Nobody wants to work for them which is why Flip holds every job. How do you think more years of being crappy is gonna lead to people being interested in being there? It doesn't. TRYING to win, even with younger players, that will go a long way with everyone.

 

[42 Monks]

Here's the difference.

Some of those guys have been in the playoffs before. Some of those guys know what it takes and just need to figure out how to get there as the vets instead of the kids. They haven't been through a 10 year drought hanging over their heads where nobody trusts the direction of the organization. They decided to blow it up after being an 8th seed. The Wolves haven't seen that in a decade. Nobody wants to work for them which is why Flip holds every job. How do you think more years of being crappy is gonna lead to people being interested in being there? It doesn't. TRYING to win, even with younger players, that will go a long way with everyone.

So rush in and give up draft position in an effort to try hard?

Kemba saw a 7 win season and he's still hittin game winners. Learning how to win isn't as important as getting talent on the roster for a young team.

 

[Ben.]

More Dieng = more rim protection.

as for lack of a go to scorer in the 4th, they lost every close game they had, and that was WITH Love (and that's due to a bunch of different reasons besides scoring-- coaching, Barea, Barea, Barea, coaching, defense, Barea. How could it get worse in that department?

I'll ask you this. Did you watch the T'Wolves play without Kevin Love and think "damn had he been out there they woulda won tonight?"



By willingly losing games, you'd be answering that question for them. And even if you're adding more talented rookies (which is not a guarantee), all you'd be doing is teaching them how to lose, and when do you plan on breaking that cycle?

Love was basically carrying around a huge "triple team me" sign in the 4th quarter, Adelman being out of it was a huge reason but Rubio can't shoot and can't score in the 4th, everytime they went into Pek his simple post game didn't work, Kevin Martin was the only other decent option along with Barea here and there.
Wolves aren't gonna win much anyway, they don't have to go all in tanking like Phily but lose 3-4 games more than they should which could result in MUCH better positioning in the lotto. What says Young doesn't gets an offer from the Rockets or a playoff team that he fits great with? More Dieng, Pek is really gonna enjoy playing less? Then the same situation with Thad for Mo.

In the 5 games without Love, they could of won three that were not the Houston 2pt win/Corey Brewer's 51 and the Miami 21 point blowout.

 

[Houston911]

i love what the 76ers are doing

this is how you tank

only 1-2 more seasons left

 

[tremonthustler1]

So rush in and give up draft position in an effort to try hard?

Kemba saw a 7 win season and he's still hittin game winners. Learning how to win isn't as important as getting talent on the roster for a young team.

Kemba made the playoffs this year. He just saw his team sign Al Jefferson and sign Lance Stephenson TWO offseasons in a row. That's not happening here even if we won 70 games.

Love was basically carrying around a huge "triple team me" sign in the 4th quarter, Adelman being out of it was a huge reason but Rubio can't shoot and can't score in the 4th, everytime they went into Pek his simple post game didn't work, Kevin Martin was the only other decent option along with Barea here and there.
Wolves aren't gonna win much anyway, they don't have to go all in tanking like Phily but lose 3-4 games more than they should which could result in MUCH better positioning in the lotto. More Dieng, Pek is really gonna enjoy playing less? Then the same situation with Thad for Mo.

In the 5 games without Love, they could of won three that were not the Houston 2pt win/Corey Brewer's 51 and the Miami 21 point blowout.

Minny won that game on a Gorgui Dieng game winner.

Kevin Martin was the only other decent option along with Barea here and there.

what the hell were you watching? And if you think Pek has a simple post game, I can't help you.

What says Young doesn't gets an offer from the Rockets or a playoff team that he fits great with?

If that happens, so be it, but you're guaranteeing it by saying "fukk this season and we really have no idea why we acquired you." Young and Mo are there to help them win, not because they couldn't find 2 other players. Flip knows they can't go on too much longer losing while keeping these guys here (not to mention, he'd lose an ungodly amount of his own money doing that)

More Dieng, Pek is really gonna enjoy playing less?

Pek is gonna play less to keep him playing, period. That's the whole idea. He's awesome when he's out there but he can't physically make it through a whole season playing a ton. That's where Dieng comes in

 

[Ben.]

Kemba made the playoffs this year. He just saw his team sign Al Jefferson and sign Lance Stephenson TWO offseasons in a row. That's not happening here even if we won 70 games.


Minny won that game on a Gorgui Dieng game winner.



what the hell were you watching? And if you think Pek has a simple post game, I can't help you.



If that happens, so be it, but you're guaranteeing it by saying "fukk this season and we really have no idea why we acquired you." Young and Mo are there to help them win, not because they couldn't find 2 other players. Flip knows they can't go on too much longer losing while keeping these guys here (not to mention, he'd lose an ungodly amount of his own money doing that)



Pek is gonna play less to keep him playing, period. That's the whole idea. He's awesome when he's out there but he can't physically make it through a whole season playing a ton. That's where Dieng comes in

Yeah I know meant to say vs. Houston

Pekovic does not have a great post game. He's not ranked high on synergy and plays mostly a power game. Rubio would either be on the bench for Barea or couldn't score for shyt in the fourth the past season, that's a fact.

I'll give you the losing thing but would Pek still be starting? Don't think Pek would be happy with a bench role either way but that's another "if".

 

[tremonthustler1]

Yeah I know meant to say vs. Houston

Pekovic does not have a great post game. He's not ranked high on synergy and plays mostly a power game. Rubio would either be on the bench for Barea or couldn't score for shyt in the fourth the past season, that's a fact.

I'll give you the losing thing but would Pek still be starting? Don't think Pek would be happy with a bench role either way but that's another "if".

That's a coaching problem and that cost them several games, also a fact. Believe it or not, the Wolves did upgrade at head coach, even if the search was a fugazi one.

Nobody said anything about benching Pekovic. It's all about reducing wear and tear with him by playing him a little less minutes per game. 28 mpg? Great. 32+? Probably not, and that still gives Dieng time to develop (what they shoulda been doing last year)