2020 Democratic National Convention Discussion Thread (August 17-20)

[Outlaw]

Copmala DA record isn't MAGA tho.

Sit your plantation ass in the goofy corner.

Faux Militancy and MAGA have more in common than you think. You both have the common goal of getting Trump re-elected rather your dense ass sees it or not

 

[jj23]

Saw this today and had a chuckle

 

[wire28]

CNN is fawning over Kamala

Wolf Blitzer loving the Momala nickname, saying it’s Yiddish

Van Jones about to cry

Andrew Yang with the Pom poms for Kamala and clapping for her on air

I think we’ve reached that usual point on the Coli where it is clear it’s separated from reality

 

[Piff Perkins]

Win or lose Obama gave not only the best speech but one that will resonate historically. I’ve never seen a speech like that before, and it was jarring and unsettling. It’s ironic because I was rewatching a pbs special recently about what is considered by historians to be perhaps the most unsettling presidential speech in our history.


We watched a former president accuse the current president of not only gross incompetence and criminality, but authoritarianism that puts democracy at risk. He didn’t sugar coat anything, there were no typical Obama platitudes or feel good moments. It was a pure attack mixed with a stark warning. Let no man claim ignorance. If you watched that and came away thinking this election doesn’t matter you are mentally unfit...period.

 

[El Bombi]

Faux Militancy and MAGA have more in common than you think. You both have the common goal of getting Trump re-elected rather your dense ass sees it or not

I'll let you C00N for those Democrats Butter Biscuits in peace breh.

 

[MoneyTron]

I'll let you C00N for those Democrats Butter Biscuits in peace breh.

 

[nyknick]

CNN is fawning over Kamala

Wolf Blitzer loving the Momala nickname, saying it’s Yiddish

Van Jones about to cry

Andrew Yang with the Pom poms for Kamala and clapping for her on air

When is he not?

 

[Outlaw]

I'll let you C00N for those Democrats Butter Biscuits in peace breh.

You live a pathetic existence letting faux militancy and slavery define your worldview.

I feel sorry for you, hopefully you can let the hate go one day.

 

[the next guy]

Being good at exposing classism seems to create a massive blindspot in people like him for the way the rest of the world works. The problems he identifies need to be fixed, but whether he thinks so or not, some issues are more pressing.

Of course race is important. But I think the issue is (or at least my issue) is this: is race being used to cover for other awful policies? Do we think putting a black face on destructive economic policy is a good result? Is it about eliminating bigotry or just climbing the levers of power?

 

[El Bombi]

You live a pathetic existence letting faux militancy and slavery define your worldview.

I feel sorry for you, hopefully you can let the hate go one day.

Keep looking for that White Savior breh.

 

[Robbie3000]

Win or lose Obama gave not only the best speech but one that will resonate historically. I’ve never seen a speech like that before, and it was jarring and unsettling. It’s ironic because I was rewatching a pbs special recently about what is considered by historians to be perhaps the most unsettling presidential speech in our history.


We watched a former president accuse the current president of not only gross incompetence and criminality, but authoritarianism that puts democracy at risk. He didn’t sugar coat anything, there were no typical Obama platitudes or feel good moments. It was a pure attack mixed with a stark warning. Let no man claim ignorance. If you watched that and came away thinking this election doesn’t matter you are mentally unfit...period.

Facts. I don’t see why that speech is being derided here. I guess the problem is Trump has lowered the prestige of that office so much, anything short of coming out and cutting a WWE promo may seem inadequate to some.

I think he did what he had do to in a presidential way. Made a case for Biden and a case against Trump very effectively.

 

[King Kreole]

We watched a former president accuse the current president of not only gross incompetence and criminality, but authoritarianism that puts democracy at risk. He didn’t sugar coat anything, there were no typical Obama platitudes or feel good moments. It was a pure attack mixed with a stark warning.

I didn't hear Obama use the word criminal, authoritarian, fascist, or anything really even close to that which could be construed as a "pure attack". The only times he directly addressed or referenced Trump were to say:

I never expected that my successor would embrace my vision or continue my policies. I did hope, for the sake of our country, that Donald Trump might show some interest in taking the job seriously; that he might come to feel the weight of the office and discover some reverence for the democracy that had been placed in his care. But he never did. For close to four years now, he's shown no interest in putting in the work; no interest in finding common ground; no interest in using the awesome power of his office to help anyone but himself and his friends; no interest in treating the presidency as anything but one more reality show that he can use to get the attention he craves. Donald Trump hasn't grown into the job because he can't.

So his criticism of Trump is basically that he is lazy and narcissistic. Which is very standard, tepid mainstream Democratic fare over the past 4 years.

And I didn't really see any stark warning in his speech either. I think the only thing he said about what's at stake is:

So I am also asking you to believe in your own ability -- to embrace your own responsibility as citizens -- to make sure that the basic tenets of our democracy endure.

Because that's what at stake right now. Our democracy.

Which is a very nebulous platitude.

The best, most enlivening moments of the speech were when he glanced at the underlying rot endemic to the entire American project by detailing the injustices and brutalities faced by marginalized people across the history of this nation, but he couldn't go the whole way with that sentiment and complete the circle because his history and ideology won't allow him to make a comprehensive and fully-righteous condemnation of the status quo.

I don't know, a lot of the exuberant reactions I'm seeing in response to this speech reminds me of Drake stans hyping up his weak diss tracks during the Pusha beef.

 

[Robbie3000]

I didn't hear Obama use the word criminal, authoritarian, fascist, or anything really even close to that which could be construed as a "pure attack". The only times he directly addressed or referenced Trump were to say:



So his criticism of Trump is basically that he is lazy and narcissistic. Which is very standard, tepid mainstream Democratic fare over the past 4 years.

And I didn't really see any stark warning in his speech either. I think the only thing he said about what's at stake is:



Which is a very nebulous platitude.

The best, most enlivening moments of the speech were when he glanced at the underlying rot endemic to the entire American project by detailing the injustices and brutalities faced by marginalized people across the history of this nation, but he couldn't go the whole way with that sentiment and complete the circle because his history and ideology won't allow him to make a comprehensive and fully-righteous condemnation of the status quo.

I don't know, a lot of the exuberant reactions I'm seeing in response to this speech reminds me of Drake stans hyping up his weak diss tracks during the Pusha beef.

To quote 50, "Are you illiterate nikka, can't read between the lines"?

 

[wire28]

I love how nothing is considered sincere anymore. How do you know when someone is actually being sincere? Is it when you actually like that person? Or do they have to be saying something like it’s reality TV?

 

[King Kreole]

To quote 50, "Are you illiterate nikka, can't read between the lines"?

So we're going from "a pure attack unlike anything we've ever seen before " to "he's sneak dissing, read between the lines to see the subs "

oochie wally one mic

He didn't jump off the roof with this one, he more or less did the same thing he always does

And to be clear, I'm not saying this was a bad speech. I agree with you, he made a case for Biden and against Trump pretty clearly and concisely. Just don't think it was some HoF, speech for the ages and I don't think he was particularly aggressive on it.