2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[Don Homer]

Bernie Sanders saw the Soviet Union through the eyes of a dreamy fool

interesting read

I’m sure, nikka

 

[Professor Emeritus]

A)Bernie cant be Trump in swing states.
B)Bernie probably would cost them House seats and they wouldn't win the Senate.
C)If magic happened and Bernie won the election, Republicans would win control of the House and Senate in 2022 due to a rejection of socialism.

You have to ease toward change. You can't make a radical shift and expect people to jump on board. That shyt scares people.

A. Except that Bernie has either the best or 2nd-best position against Trump in practically every swing state. Only Biden polls as well, and Biden is already showing that he collapses in actual elections every year.

B. Why? Why would conservative Dems or moderate Independents who didn't like Bernie then proceed to vote against their Senators and Reps?

Bernie will be a great asset for those races because he's going to massively increase turnout among youth and liberal non-democrats (many of whom will then vote blue across the board), while likely maintaining turnout among the democratic base. Just because someone doesn't like Bernie doesn't mean they'll suddenly vote against the conservative dem they supported, that doesn't make sense.

C. Can you give me an idea of something that Bernie will push between now and 2022 that people don't already know about? If he wins now it will be because his ideas have support. In 2022 there will be more dead old people and more new young voters, the electorate gets more liberal every year. The only reason there would be a backlash is if people are unmotivated and stay home because he DIDN'T do what he promised he would do.

 

[OfTheCross]

Meh

They scream socialist so much it's lost some effect

 

[barese]

Bernie Sanders saw the Soviet Union through the eyes of a dreamy fool

interesting read

Tragic thing is that their healthcare seems worse now. Compared to what they have now, the citizens of ex-Soviet Union loved it:

Older residents in all 11 countries whose safety nets, such as guaranteed pensions and free healthcare, largely disappeared when the union dissolved are more likely to say the breakup harmed their countries.

Former Soviet Countries See More Harm From Breakup


Most Russians Prefer Return of Soviet Union and Socialism: Poll

A record 70 percent of Russians approve of Soviet leader Josef Stalin’s role in Russian history, according to a poll published by the independent Levada Center pollster on Tuesday.

Stalin’s image has been gradually rehabilitated in the 2000s from that of a bloody autocrat to an “outstanding leader.”

Stalin’s Approval Rating Among Russians Hits Record High – Poll - The Moscow Times

 

[88m3]

Dems are going to straight-up conservatives for their opinions on Bernie now? This guy was a Republican staffer, teaches at the Naval War College, and gives speeches to the Heritage Foundation.

And he'd still vote for Bernie over Trump!


His entire take-down of Bernie only includes 4 quotes. The are 2, 5, 7, and 19 words long, and not one of them was even embarrassing. He was a mayor on a diplomatic cultural exchange at a time when we were trying to welcome Russia's transition towards the rest of the world, and that's exactly what he sounds like.

p.s. - so long as we're doing a take-down of health care systems, compare Cuba to all those capitalist countries of similar income levels (or even parts of the South in the fukking USA) and get back to me about how we have nothing to learn.

I mean the takeaway for me is that he would still vote for Bernie, I know who Tom Nichols is

 

[SunZoo]

This ain't the 50s. You are not scaring the majority of the people boogie man words anymore. All Bernie has to do is pitch is populist message to the country and they will understand it.

People may not be able to articulate it, but they feel they have been getting the short end of the stick for a very long time now.


The last two Presidents have run as populists.

He's helping to remove the stigma.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I mean the takeaway for me is that he would still vote for Bernie

I guess these Never Trump conservatives really are all in.

Trump's face when Mitt Romney goes stumping for Bernie in Michigan and pushes Nevada Mormons to vote against Trump as a block.

 

[duncanthetall]

I guess these Never Trump conservatives really are all in.

Trump's face when Mitt Romney goes stumping for Bernie in Michigan and pushes Nevada Mormons to vote against Trump as a block.

My brain would explode seeing Romney and Obama campaigning together for Bernie

 

[Uno Venova]

Bern being a dumbass

It is, it’s just only corporate socialism

 

[88m3]

p.s. - so long as we're doing a take-down of health care systems, compare Cuba to all those capitalist countries of similar income levels (or even parts of the South in the fukking USA) and get back to me about how we have nothing to learn.

Not to wander too off topic but how do you think health care in 1989 Cuba stacked up to the Soviet Union? Better or worse? Cuba has obviously made leaps in bounds in medicine in recent decades and that's largely due to international investment, partnerships, and technological advances that I would assume didn't/couldn't exist at the time...

Anyways putting Cuba on pedestal when blacks there are discriminated against worse than they are in Brazil tends to irk me... maybe it's irrelevant

 

[jj23]

I guess these Never Trump conservatives really are all in.

Trump's face when Mitt Romney goes stumping for Bernie in Michigan and pushes Nevada Mormons to vote against Trump as a block.

If Bernie wins, do you think he is going to ask Obama to stump for him?

 

[acri1]

I guess these Never Trump conservatives really are all in.

Personally I think "Never Trump" conservatives are full of shyt

They talked the same game in 2016 and then all fell in line and voted for Trump, I doubt this year will be any different

 

[re'up]

Bloomberg will have heavy support from "coastal elites", alot of people I know, 50 years plus love him, in San Diego, but whether he can win in less prosperous places, I don't really think so. He has none of the "charm" of Trump's speeches or quotes, and no charisma.

 

[King Kreole]

If Bernie wins, do you think he is going to ask Obama to stump for him?

 

[Worthless Loser]

A. Except that Bernie has either the best or 2nd-best position against Trump in practically every swing state. Only Biden polls as well, and Biden is already showing that he collapses in actual elections every year.

B. Why? Why would conservative Dems or moderate Independents who didn't like Bernie then proceed to vote against their Senators and Reps?

Bernie will be a great asset for those races because he's going to massively increase turnout among youth and liberal non-democrats (many of whom will then vote blue across the board), while likely maintaining turnout among the democratic base. Just because someone doesn't like Bernie doesn't mean they'll suddenly vote against the conservative dem they supported, that doesn't make sense.

C. Can you give me an idea of something that Bernie will push between now and 2022 that people don't already know about? If he wins now it will be because his ideas have support. In 2022 there will be more dead old people and more new young voters, the electorate gets more liberal every year. The only reason there would be a backlash is if people are unmotivated and stay home because he DIDN'T do what he promised he would do.

We still believe in polls? Lol nobody learned from 2016.

It's more about a uprise of Republican voters rebelling against socialism and independents not wanting to go too far left.

Clinton got smoked in 94. Obama in 2010. You mean to tell me Bernie would be ok in 2022?