2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[FAH1223]

Could the Democrats get Iowa back? Obama had Iowa.

I think its possible. I mean it is crazy how Obama won it twice and then it swung to Trump so dramatically.

If you win Iowa as a Dem, then you probably win WI, MI, PA, and even OH.

 

[King Kreole]

I've said since last year that Warren's plans had more meat than Bernie's, but not sure why that would even be a factor in the primaries.

President sets the agenda, and unless the president has a specific plan he's pushing hard then it's Congress, not the White House, that writes the plan. Even when the White House does write a plan Congress goes ahead and fukks around with it something heavy before they get around to passing it. And who is in Congress....?

It reminds me of when Obama shyt on Clinton during the debates for wanting an individual mandate (because he thought forcing people to buy insurance didn't play well as a talking point), then turned around and included an individual mandate in the ACA. Did it matter who came up with it, or really what Obama's position on it was at all?

You vote for the candidate you trust to set the agenda, inspire the country forward, make good decisions in office, and have the integrity to stand by that agenda and not get on some other shyt. All the details get worked out between a few thousands voices of which 4/7 folk on the stage will be involved regardless of who wins.

I disagree that plans and their details shouldn't be a factor in the primaries. It's an insight into a candidate's priorities and signals how they plan to go about wielding their presidential power. It shows how they think. Asking Bernie, or any candidate for that matter, how they plan on getting their ideas enacted is a legitimate question. It's completely normal and healthy to expect a candidate to detail what they want and how they want to get it. If Marianne said she's for M4A but plans on using the power of prayer to get it enacted, I think that's a useful thing to know when deciding between candidates. Saying "Well, it's up to the Congress so it doesn't matter if she says that." doesn't hold water to me. The President plays a critical role in working bills through Congress, exerting both internal and external pressure.

The reason I prefer Liz to Bernie isn't that I think she'll be sitting up at night and writing bills, it's because through her plans she has shown she understands the political landscape better than him, which leads me to trust her to wield power more effectively than he would. They show me she understands how fundamentally broken Congress is, so I trust her to effectively prioritize instead of chasing ghosts. They show me she's more disciplined, and actually wants to do the work. It's also about culture. Her deep interest in the details gives me more faith that she'll create a more effective bureaucratic culture than he would. She's like Steve Jobs at Apple, obsessed with detail. That trickled down to the entire company, everyone knew they had to bring their A-game because nothing is getting past the leader. If you work for a company where the CEO is saying some sloppy shyt, complacency sets in. Part of setting an agenda is setting the culture.

The funny thing is, between Liz and Bernie, it's Bernie who has been the one conflating Presidential power with Congressional power with his "I wrote the damn bill!" line. He's not going to be writing the damn bills as President. From the beginning, Liz's plans have always highlighted executive powers and things a President can do "all by herself".

 

[FAH1223]

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

true, i think there's a sexist element, but IMO it's strongly overshadowed by the media's anti-progressive bias.

otherwise the media would be praising the front runner Bernie now for proving he's an electable white man.

other than the chris matthews' of the world, the media has actually be pretty fair in talking about the coalition bernie is building and his unwavering support, they may not like him, but they have admitted that he's proving himself.

 

[StatUS]

Nancy not trying to upset her people in Cali

 

[duncanthetall]

Bend the knee

 

[No1]

other than the chris matthews' of the world, the media has actually be pretty fair in talking about the coalition bernie is building and his unwavering support, they may not like him, but they have admitted that he's proving himself.

Come on Dora, you’re a smart woman.There are literal articles from Vanity Fair of all places saying this isn’t true. CNN was even roasting MSNBC to the point where they are actively seeking more pro-Bernie voices. This is like when you said the media had done a good job informing people about Bloomberg and they literally did not go hard on him until an independent journalist brought it up who they have now had to bring on TV. They haven’t been remotely fair to him until after Nevada.

 

[King Kreole]

Medicare for All vs. Public Option Proposals

Bernie folks bout to be mad as hell again

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Come on Dora, you’re a smart woman.There are literal articles from Vanity Fair of all places saying this isn’t true. CNN was even roasting MSNBC to the point where they are actively seeking more pro-Bernie voices. This is like when you said the media had done a good job informing people about Bloomberg and they literally did not go hard on him until an independent journalist brought it up who they have now had to bring on TV. They haven’t been remotely fair to him until after Nevada.

i disagree, i admitted they dont like him, but they have acknowledged him doing a good job of building support/maintaining an unwavering base - they cry about it after every vote, poll, town hall, and debate

 

[Professor Emeritus]

other than the chris matthews' of the world, the media has actually be pretty fair in talking about the coalition bernie is building and his unwavering support, they may not like him, but they have admitted that he's proving himself.

That's been more recent as they've gone through the stages of grief and are beginning to reach acceptance.

Earlier, it was demonstrably proven that Sanders was receiving the most negative coverage. This is one study of mentions last fall:

MSNBC Is the Most Influential Network Among Liberals—And It’s Ignoring Bernie Sanders


And there's been multiple exposes of how often the media ignored Sanders' poll results or actually changed them.

The Bernie Blackout Is Real, and These Screenshots Prove It | Orinoco Tribune

MSNBC’s Anti-Sanders Bias Makes It Forget How to Do Math

 

[duncanthetall]

Medicare for All vs. Public Option Proposals

Bernie folks bout to be mad as hell again

Do y’all even talk to black folks? Like in real life? I don’t like playing that card because in 2016 it was me and a gaggle of cacs trying to bring people to Team Bernie, but I’m honestly kinda sympathetic. Cause right now we are winning despite your links and nonsense.

 

[R. Money]

Nice timing. Did she have a plan for this?



She's finished. Jump to Bernie.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

That's been more recent as they've gone through the stages of grief and are beginning to reach acceptance.

Earlier, it was demonstrably proven that Sanders was receiving the most negative coverage. This is one study of mentions last fall:

MSNBC Is the Most Influential Network Among Liberals—And It’s Ignoring Bernie Sanders


And there's been multiple exposes of how often the media ignored Sanders' poll results or actually changed them.

The Bernie Blackout Is Real, and These Screenshots Prove It | Orinoco Tribune

MSNBC’s Anti-Sanders Bias Makes It Forget How to Do Math

blacking him out isn't attacking him, it's what helped him IMO. while they were attacking liz last fall and wondering when biden would fall, bernie was allowed to just keep doing his thing.

and this conversation was based on bernie now being the frontrunner, thus we're talking recent coverage - he wasn't the front runner last summer/fall

 

[No1]

I think its possible. I mean it is crazy how Obama won it twice and then it swung to Trump so dramatically.

If you win Iowa as a Dem, then you probably win WI, MI, PA, and even OH.

I think the amount of young people that have left Ohio makes it improbable.

 

[MVike28]

Bend the knee

Commit that Nap

expeditiously