2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[No1]

Medicare for All vs. Public Option Proposals

Bernie folks bout to be mad as hell again

This is what got her in trouble last time. The fact is, none of their plans will be implemented as written but saying that yours will go into effect with 100 days is a big claim.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

blacking him out isn't attacking him, it's what helped him IMO. while they were attacking liz last fall and wondering when biden would fall, bernie was allowed to just keep doing his thing.

and this conversation was based on bernie now being the frontrunner, thus we're talking recent coverage - he wasn't the front runner last summer/fall

Please don't comment on shyt without reading the links you're commenting on.

n S


Literally every single prime-time show on MSNBC covered Warren more positively than Sanders.


In the other links it shows examples of multiple networks actually misreporting Sanders' polls to deduct points.

 

[hayesc0]

Medicare for All vs. Public Option Proposals

Bernie folks bout to be mad as hell again

give it up lol

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I disagree that plans and their details shouldn't be a factor in the primaries. It's an insight into a candidate's priorities and signals how they plan to go about wielding their presidential power. It shows how they think. Asking Bernie, or any candidate for that matter, how they plan on getting their ideas enacted is a legitimate question. It's completely normal and healthy to expect a candidate to detail what they want and how they want to get it. If Marianne said she's for M4A but plans on using the power of prayer to get it enacted, I think that's a useful thing to know when deciding between candidates. Saying "Well, it's up to the Congress so it doesn't matter if she says that." doesn't hold water to me. The President plays a critical role in working bills through Congress, exerting both internal and external pressure.

The reason I prefer Liz to Bernie isn't that I think she'll be sitting up at night and writing bills, it's because through her plans she has shown she understands the political landscape better than him, which leads me to trust her to wield power more effectively than he would. They show me she understands how fundamentally broken Congress is, so I trust her to effectively prioritize instead of chasing ghosts. They show me she's more disciplined, and actually wants to do the work. It's also about culture. Her deep interest in the details gives me more faith that she'll create a more effective bureaucratic culture than he would. She's like Steve Jobs at Apple, obsessed with detail. That trickled down to the entire company, everyone knew they had to bring their A-game because nothing is getting past the leader. If you work for a company where the CEO is saying some sloppy shyt, complacency sets in. Part of setting an agenda is setting the culture.

The funny thing is, between Liz and Bernie, it's Bernie who has been the one conflating Presidential power with Congressional power with his "I wrote the damn bill!" line. He's not going to be writing the damn bills as President. From the beginning, Liz's plans have always highlighted executive powers and things a President can do "all by herself".

I'm just having to guess that some of y'all are young or haven't paid a lot of attention in previous administrations. Can you give an example of what you argue being a factor in a presidential administration...ever? Like, give me the example where the degree of detail within a candidate's plans told you information about a presidency that you didn't already know, or even foretold any meaningful information at all?

I already gave you one Obama example, I'll give you another. During the 2008 election Clinton criticized Obama repeatedly that he was just promising hope without detailed plans, said that her plans were better than his, It was one of her more frequent critiques, she even mocked him at times. And when Obama specifically promised a stimulus bill for when he entered office, there was no detailed plans and in fact Congressional aides wrote the bill. Yet Obama was an extremely careful, detail-oriented leader.

The reason I prefer Liz to Bernie isn't that I think she'll be sitting up at night and writing bills, it's because through her plans she has shown she understands the political landscape better than him, which leads me to trust her to wield power more effectively than he would. They show me she understands how fundamentally broken Congress is, so I trust her to effectively prioritize instead of chasing ghosts.

It's just hard to take you seriously if you're really going to claim that Bernie doesn't understand the Senate.

Bernie's performance to date is the best indicator of how well he understands the political landscape. NONE of this shyt is getting passed by the current Senate with its current objectives, even if you flipped to Democratic control. NONE. The only way you get that shyt is by motivating the populace to support it to such a large degree that senators feel forced to go along. Medicare-for-all is up to 70% support now, forgiving student debt to 58%. That's on Bernie, and that sort of public mandate is the ONLY way any of it will ever get passed.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Please don't comment on shyt without reading the links you're commenting on.



Literally every single prime-time show on MSNBC covered Warren more positively than Sanders.


In the other links it shows examples of multiple networks actually misreporting Sanders' polls to deduct points.

are we discussing MSNBC solely....your links also mention how warren and sanders were often blocked out which i mentioned as a net positive for bernie...and what does that have to do with the fact that these people are commenting on how bernie is proving out his electability? no where did i say they were fans of him...fukk outta here trying to argue to argue

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Trump will wash Bernie.

 

[richaveli83]

Early voting ends here in Texas on Friday. Ended up voting this morning. Ended up voting for Tom Steyer.

 

[the cac mamba]

I think the amount of young people that have left Ohio makes it improbable.

trump can keep ohio and florida, which he probably will, and the dems take it if they just take MI, WI and PA

looks like that's the most likely scenario

 

[the cac mamba]

Trump will wash Bernie.

like he washed hillary?

 

[the cac mamba]

Nice timing. Did she have a plan for this?

 

[AZBeauty]

These ads will help him. He'll be running these all night to the old folks at home watching tv. I dont know who I want out more, Pete or Bloomberg. Ads like this make Bloomberg the bigger threat at this point.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Medicare for All vs. Public Option Proposals

Bernie folks bout to be mad as hell again

Why? If this is new it's terrible timing. Everyone's argument against Bernie is "how is he going to pay for it????", then Warren shows a chart explicitly demonstrating how Bernie pays for it while showing nothing of the sort for her own plan? I don't think this is winning her voters and it inadvertently makes Bernie's plan look more fiscally reasonable, whether or not it is in reality.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

These ads will help him. He'll be running these all night to the old folks at home watching tv. I dont know who I want out more, Pete or Bloomberg. Ads like this make Bloomberg the bigger threat at this point.

They both need to be out...

but yea, Bloomberg’s pockets are just a crazy advantage. Like I said, all I see/hear out here are Bloomberg and steyer ads all the time - these candidates can’t afford to buy ads in the Cali market.

@FAH1223 you said Bernie placed a buy but I haven’t seen shyt, maybe he’s geotargeting a particular area or targeting the Latino vote on their channels and radio stations, but he’s up next for deepest pockets and even he’s not breaking through the lock Bloomberg and Steyer have in advertising out here

 

[FAH1223]

They both need to be out...

but yea, Bloomberg’s pockets are just a crazy advantage. Like I said, all I see/hear out here are Bloomberg and steyer ads all the time - these candidates can’t afford to buy ads in the Cali market.

@FAH1223 you said Bernie placed a buy but I haven’t seen shyt, maybe he’s geotargeting a particular area or targeting the Latino vote on their channels and radio stations, but he’s up next for deepest pockets and even he’s not breaking through the lock Bloomberg and Steyer have in advertising out here

Probably geotargeting. They spent more than $30 million on TV advertising alone in the first four states and California

 

[goatmane]