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The fukk you talking bout. The establishment is doing everything they can to get Bernie out the paint. He is just pointing out the obvious.

And keep that same anti-democratic energy when it comes to abolishing the electoral college.

Why is he running Democrat then? :mindblown: Like what the fukk are you talking about? If you want to run for a party, then shut the fukk up and play by their rules. End of story. Or run as an Independent. How you gonna say the “Establishment” (a divisive, accusatory and insidious term to use on your peers to begin with) should be scared when you need those people to get in :mindblown: That’s stupid :mindblown: And if that’s his politics, I have little faith in him doing half of the shyt he’s talking about when he’s actually in office. He’s needs “THE ESTABLISHMENT” to get anything done in case you forgot this shyt isn’t a one man show :mindblown:
 
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Not sure about how much Bernie is worth in comparison with the avg American. But frankly it doesn't matter if he's fighting on behalf of the working class. And given his track record I have every reason to believe he'll follow through (or at least try).

Also the Kochs are deplorable. And so is anyone who tries to subvert democracy with big money.
I am skeptical of Bloombergs intentions quite frankly. He is not going to win against Trump even if he is made the nominee. This gives me the suspicion that his sole agenda is to undermine Bernie. Why?
Perhaps he was placed there by the DNC elites. I am willing to bet its because he doesn't want to pay higher taxes.
Also the best thing Bloomberg and Steyer can do is use their money to support progressive ideas. Eiyher way we do not need a billionaire running against another billionaire. This sets a dangerous precedent and officially makes us an Oligarchy. Is that the type of country you want to live in? Where the only way to become the US president is to either be politician bought off by Oligarchs or to be an actual Oligarch (such as Trump or Bloomberg).


Again I ain’t no fan of Bloomberg but I saw those mofo up close as mayor for 12 years in NYC.... NYC went into a real estate building boom and it’s still continuing now under Deblasio.. He will absolutely beat trump and Bloomberg paying higher taxes don’t even effect his bottom line at this point lmaooo.
 

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Independent POTUS. This country could use it. :ehh:
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Bernie told Bloomberg to his face that his wealth is immoral even though Bloomberg started from the bottom to get to where he’s at...

Y’all Bernie bros being disingenuous
the same way I say that democrats who appeal too much to illegals will lose, I say that about not understanding that even at its worst, democrats MUST appeal to the aspirational and entrepreneurial.

i.e. Warren.

If I were Sanders, i'd feel inadequate too if i had to stand next to a woman who is a functional expert and can be a better progressive than I could because she actually knows how to get what she wants...

and that includes Hillary:

Democrats Advance Most Progressive Platform in Party History
 

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May I ask how old you are?

Because it feels like people are saying that an argument doesn't count unless it's at the Twitter-length level of virtue signalling. Y'all talk like context doesn't matter, that actual thought processes don't matter, that merely saying, "BUT HE'S A MILLIONAIRE!" is supposed to be some sort of argument for...what? Y'all have even said what that's an argument for?


If you think Bernie did something wrong...what? Something like 20-25% of American families will be worth a million by the time they retire. He's literally never said that no one should be a millionaire, he's just said that millionaires should pay their dues so that everyone in America have have access to a great basic standard of living and he STILL says that.


People talking dumb shyt about "but he attacks billionaries" as if Bernie's net worth isn't 1000 times closer to your net worth than it is to Bloomberg's net worth. Literally 1000 times closer. Bloomberg spends more money every year on upkeeping his fishtanks than Bernie spent on all his houses combined.


Context matters in all situations though....that is part of the problem. Context only seems to apply when it's a situation where it can hurt Bernie. Every other situation seems to be black and white for the lot of yall.
 

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Sorry that's just a bad take, by that logic really Bloomberg can't even speak about helping anyone except maybe Bezos cause no one is on his level financially. lol
You know what's not funny style? He is the likely Dem nominee. You gonna vote for him if he is or nah? :mjgrin:

Bloomberg was Mayor if NYC for 12 years, negotiating of the city unions giving city employees contract raises ain’t helping common folk? You can spin shyt all you want but it shows he sits at the table for contract negotiating... Trump cut federal employees pay right?

No matter people can point to Bloomberg being Mayor of NYC for 12 years and can criticize and scrutinize his record... bet you he’s gotten more done than Bernie has as a senator for VT...
 

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Context matters in all situations though....that is part of the problem. Context only seems to apply when it's a situation where it can hurt Bernie. Every other situation seems to be black and white for the lot of yall.

Please, don't make things up, I got that badge because I fill everything I write with context and receipts. It always matters.
 

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Bernie told Bloomberg to his face that his wealth is immoral even though Bloomberg started from the bottom to get to where he’s at...

Y’all Bernie bros being disingenuous
"Where you started" is not the reason the wealth is immoral (well, it can be a reason, but not the ONLY reason). It's because the degree of power and control it gives you is insane. Bloomberg went from $4 billion to $35 billion WHILE he was mayor of NYC, WHILE there was a recession going on, WHILE he was openly saying that he was making the city as billionaire-friendly as possible and that taxing rich people was "a stupid idea".

Bloomberg has more wealth than the poorest 100 million Americans combined. Because of his wealth, Bloomberg could literally buy an illegal 3rd term as mayor. He literally buys endorsements. He can personally end the careers of people who oppose him. You should not have that kind of power. Bernie has never had any power like that.

A Republican Plutocrat Tries To Buy The Democratic Nomination ❧ Current Affairs




Again I ain’t no fan of Bloomberg but I saw those mofo up close as mayor for 12 years in NYC.... NYC went into a real estate building boom and it’s still continuing now under Deblasio.. He will absolutely beat trump and Bloomberg paying higher taxes don’t even effect his bottom line at this point lmaooo.
You gotta be a sick fukker to bring up the "real estate boom" as a good point, he literally chose rich developers over poor folk and both poverty and homelessness increased tremendously while he was mayor. It's the literal reason why people with his kind of wealth and power shouldn't have that kind of control. Read the article, he was callous as fukk toward a little homeless black girl.

A Republican Plutocrat Tries To Buy The Democratic Nomination ❧ Current Affairs


Bloomberg’s New York was intensely friendly to rich developers. His city planning director, Standard Oil heir Amanda Burden, stated the administration’s aspirations: “What I have tried to do, and think I have done, is create value for these developers, every single day of my term.” Little-noticed zoning changes protected rich people’s neighborhoods from development and put poor neighborhoods up for grabs. Billionaires building luxury towers in New York City pay almost nothing in property taxes, and CityLab concluded of Bloomberg’s plan to lure as many billionaires as possible that “what Bloomberg saw as a way to provide for the welfare of New York looks more like one of the firmest expressions of inequality anywhere.” CityLab writes that “the property-tax burden has shifted from owners to renters, and from the wealthier to the poorer.” Under pressure, Bloomberg introduced a “market-based” solution for affordable housing, but it produced a pitifully small number of affordable units and “affordability” was often a joke, with units accessible only to those making more than the median income. Public housing was neglected, and “under Bloomberg, the city stopped checking for lead paint in public housing apartments, a disastrous decision that endangered thousands of children.” Kate Albright-Hanna describes the destructive effects of the Bloomberg philosophy for City & State New York, and warns what would happen to the country if Bloombergism were enacted on an even larger scale:

New York City is under siege, vanishing, empty or already dead as a result of the “Bloomberg Way”—the concept of the mayor as CEO, businesses as clients, citizens as consumers, and the city as a product that’s branded and marketed. Bloomberg’s corporate worldview drained the color out of New York City—a sterile, relentless kind of destruction that dehumanized its victims with the logic of the market… Bloomberg invited global investors to knock down old brick buildings and erect glassy, lifeless towers of secrecy that housed the wealth of foreign oligarchs and kleptocrats.

For a deeper look at the sad destruction of New York’s culture and heritage that the Bloomberg years produced, see Jeremiah Moss’ book and blog Vanishing New York (reviewed here). Moss documents block by block, building by building, the eroding fabric of New York City culture, as beloved diners, dives, and bakeries are turned into banks and luxury goods stores after their rent is hiked from the thousands to the tens of thousands. Perhaps the ultimate expression of Bloombergism is Hudson Yards, the lifeless complex of glass towers, an “ultra-capitalist Forbidden City” where the poor are invisible.

Unsurprisingly, Bloomberg’s tenure saw an explosion in both rent prices and homelessness. By the end of Bloomberg’s time, “half of renting households paid more than 30 percent of their income in rent and utilities.” Commercial rents soared too, and beloved mom ‘n’ pop stores that had been in the city for decades closed by the hundreds. (Moss’ blog is a heartbreaking catalog of these.) The St. Vincent’s Hospital was shuttered and turned into luxury condos, just one of nearly 20 hospital closures between 2000 and 2013.

At the end, nearly one of every three children in the city resided in poverty, and the “record-high shelter population includes more than 22,000 homeless children.” The New York City Coalition For The Homeless has been absolutely scathing, noting that “the number of homeless people in NYC has soared to all-time record highs under Bloomberg; and the number of poor New Yorkers has also risen and remains at alarming levels.”

Bloomberg’s administration required homeless people to prove to shelters that they had no other options. In fact, he was critical of the very notion of a “right to shelter,” and said that shelters might be clogged with rich people taking advantage of the system: “You can arrive in your private jet at Kennedy Airport, take a private limousine and go straight to the shelter system and walk in the door and we’ve got to give you shelter.” (Because lots of oligarchs in limos are trying to check in to the New York City homeless shelters.) As the Coalition for the Homeless noted, “he sought to repeal longstanding court orders obligating the City to provide emergency shelter for homeless children and adults,”and “urged New Yorkers to overturn these fundamental legal protections for homeless people, saying: ‘New York City taxpayers have just gotta go to call their representatives in Albany and say, ‘We ain’t gonna do this anymore.’’”

Bloomberg “even lobbied against a measure that sought to save city funds and prevent homelessness among disabled New Yorkers living with AIDS.” Bloomberg also:

… chose to cut off homeless families from priority access to public housing apartments and Section 8 vouchers – permanent housing resources that had successfully helped move tens of thousands of homeless kids and families from shelters to stable housing under three previous mayoral administrations. They then replaced those programs with short-term subsidies that became a revolving door back to homelessness for thousands of families.

Former City Council chair Christine Quinn was blunt: “In a time of prosperity, he took aggressive steps from a policy perspective to hurt the homeless.” Bloomberg’s idea of a solution to homelessness was giving them one-way bus tickets to get them out of the city. Today, Bloomberg insists that inequality is a top priority, but before his sudden transformation into a Democrat, Bloomberg said of inequality that “that’s not a measure of something we should be ashamed of.” (Recall he specifically wanted billionaires to move to New York to increase the “income gap.”)

Asked about all this, Bloomberg alternated between pretending it wasn’t true and admitting he didn’t give a shyt. “Nobody’s sleeping on the streets,” he said, though even if they were, he believed the shortage of housing was a “good sign.” The Coalition for the Homeless says that, confronted with the problem he had caused, “the mayor and his aides responded with evasions, distortions, and a refusal to accept responsibility.” He had the audacity to “claim[] credit for the same legal right to shelter for homeless New Yorkers that he has fought aggressively to repeal!”

The human reality of this situation was documented well in a New York Times profile of an 11-year-old Black girl named Dasani, constantly bouncing from bed to bed in the city. The Times described how Bloomberg’s vision of a New York for billionaires had treated girls like Dasani as nonentities:

In the shadows of [Bloomberg’s “new gilded age”] it is Dasani’s population who have been left behind… With the economy growing in 2004, the Bloomberg administration adopted sweeping new policies intended to push the homeless to become more self-reliant. They would no longer get priority access to public housing and other programs, but would receive short-term help with rent. Poor people would be empowered, the mayor argued, and homelessness would decline. But the opposite happened. As rents steadily rose and low-income wages stagnated, chronically poor families like Dasani’s found themselves stuck in a shelter system with fewer exits. Families are now languishing there longer than ever — a development that Mr. Bloomberg explained by saying shelters offered “a much more pleasurable experience than they ever had before.”

Asked to comment on Dasani’s story, Bloomberg said, “That’s just the way God works. Sometimes some of us are lucky and some of us are not.” (God apparently being the one making New York City housing policy these days.) Asked whether he was concerned about the poor, he reiterated his usual line about how everything depends on benevolent businessmen like him, and then gave the classic billionaire’s line about how because there is air conditioning people should shut up and stop complaining that the rent is too high:
 

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Please, don't make things up, I got that badge because I fill everything I write with context and receipts. It always matters.

What are you talking about? I didn't say you in particular. Bernie Bros as a monolith more often than not choose only to contextualize situations to the benefit of Mr.Sanders. I ain't gonna give a pat in the back to the 1 or two of yall that are able to contextualize outside of the cult of Mr Sanders. Good for you.
 

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not at all, there's the same probably 6 warren supporters, and nap is the only one who posts tons of tweets, king kreole occasionally posts a tweet to support one of his longer replies to people. this thread gets spammed with bernie bros self-affirming, twitter echo chamber - but yall never call it because as long as it coincides with your beliefs, it's not spam.

You know what, maybe I miss it because I only drop in to this thread periodically to see if any poll ratings or interesting topics have come up. But I'm literally looking at five or six pages now where the biggest debate happening involves zero tweets. The most tweets I see from people other than Nap are either linking to videos or more substantive articles (I quoted someone who shared a tweet with a NYT article to start my morning but I went in, pulled some article quotes and colored it in with some additional information and thoughts). That's a far cry from just sharing some rando on twitter's commentary. Granted, I have seen that done but never to an extent where I'd cry spamming. Most of this thread seems to be Warren narratives vs Bernie narratives. I actually miss Warren Moon a bit for at least moving the discussions in different albeit mostly just as vapid directions.

But I do think this is more Baader-Meinhoff then anything off of my anecdotal dives into this thread. I could be thrown off since Nap posts so often that it scatters the Bernie tweets though :mjgrin:
 

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i dont care what the rules are. if the rules are unethical. do yall hear yourselves? sure he is playing within the rules. but that doesnt make said rules good. they are better than they were, but they still need a ton of work.

all those establishment dems were crying foul when establishment hillary took that L to trump based on the electoral college(superdelegates) but won the popular vote by a large margin(delegate voes). and all the establishment dems said get rid of the electoral college and let the people decide. but OH NO if they dont win the primaries, they want superdelegates(Electoral college) to prop them up for a win. these people are just lying politicians. Bernie keeps it a buck.

Fix the broken system.

Cool. We’ll see if Bernie can get them to change the rules for 2024 or find a new party to support. Right now he’s trying to move the goalposts in his favor.
 

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You know what, maybe I miss it because I only drop in to this thread periodically to see if any poll ratings or interesting topics have come up. But I'm literally looking at five or six pages now where the biggest debate happening involves zero tweets. The most tweets I see from people other than Nap are either linking to videos or more substantive articles (I quoted someone who shared a tweet with a NYT article to start my morning but I went in, pulled some article quotes and colored it in with some additional information and thoughts). That's a far cry from just sharing some rando on twitter's commentary. Granted, I have seen that done but never to an extent where I'd cry spamming. Most of this thread seems to be Warren narratives vs Bernie narratives. I actually miss Warren Moon a bit for at least moving the discussions in different albeit mostly just as vapid directions.

But I do think this is more Baader-Meinhoff then anything off of my anecdotal dives into this thread. I could be thrown off since Nap posts so often that it scatters the Bernie tweets though :mjgrin:
duncan the tall, memphitocles, and skyfall all hit the thread (as well as each primary and debate thread) hard with with bernie conspiracy/anti warren tweets, FAH and Tru Mac can go on bernie benders as well...but since every hates nap, he's the only one who draws ire...:yawn:
 
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