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Hmm. So Liz’ plan wants to make employer contributions to private insurance for their workers go to M4A instead. That would unfairly penalize good employers who currently pay generously for better insurance plans (like mine) and force them to essentially subsidize employers who give their workers cheap shytty healthcare plans.

And it uses a flat head tax instead of a payroll tax, so a worker making 30k and a worker making 200k pay the same amount in taxes for it. Employers would probably just avoid this by hire more contractors to keep from paying it, then the Medicare contribution would have to go up to maintain revenue, which would lead to more outsourcing work to contractors.

Rest of the cost would be paid for a stock transaction fee, somehow increasing the funding of the IRS so that they generate revenue, and project new incomes from immigration reform. I’m fine with the transaction fee but I don’t know how the fukk you’re supposed to reform the IRS and immigration as part of a healthcare bill. Wtf?

Liz is cool with me but this just exemplifies why I don’t understand why anyone with left wing politics would support her over Bernie.
I have heard from the Liz supporters here that the reason to vote for her is that she is more technocratically-skilled when it comes to drafting and implementing legislation than Bernie. Well this doesn’t support that premise.

And it comes after her going back to the drawing board just because she’s terrified of just saying under a robust effective M4A program would increase middle class income taxes despite being offset by savings. So she created a worse plan that penalizes good employers, implements a regressive flat head tax that puts a disproportionate employer tax burden on lower paid workers, allows easy evasion by outsourcing/contracting and is supposedly paid for by improbable IRS restructuring and comprehensive immigration reform.

And when it’s pointed out that Bernie’s M4A is much more sensible, Warren supporters response is “Well neither of them are gonna get M4A passed so who cares?” :mindblown:

I thought the reason to support Warren was because she’s this wonk-supreme who has a plan for everything? Now it’s who cares about the details? :dead:
Warren: Explosion of contract workers 'a problem'

Warren endorses California bill to treat gig workers as employees

Five takeaways from Warren's sweeping labor proposal

Liz Plan is not in a vacuum.
 

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She's right. But let ya'll think Sanders or Warren can beat Trump by being super progressive. :mjlol: This isn't a progressive country no matter how people try to spin it. You ain't winning shyt in the south with that agenda. Ya'll would be 100% hurt and ready to cry come the end of the 2020 election when Trump is doing his re-election speech while shytting on progressives and Sanders or Warren in the process.

Thank god she's Speaker. Some of these House Dems and allies are blind and irrational.
 

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Hmm. So Liz’ plan wants to make employer contributions to private insurance for their workers go to M4A instead. That would unfairly penalize good employers who currently pay generously for better insurance plans (like mine) and force them to essentially subsidize employers who give their workers cheap shytty healthcare plans.

And it uses a flat head tax instead of a payroll tax, so a worker making 30k and a worker making 200k pay the same amount in taxes for it. Employers would probably just avoid this by hire more contractors to keep from paying it, then the Medicare contribution would have to go up to maintain revenue, which would lead to more outsourcing work to contractors.

Rest of the cost would be paid for a stock transaction fee, somehow increasing the funding of the IRS so that they generate revenue, and project new incomes from immigration reform. I’m fine with the transaction fee but I don’t know how the fukk you’re supposed to reform the IRS and immigration as part of a healthcare bill. Wtf?

Liz is cool with me but this just exemplifies why I don’t understand why anyone with left wing politics would support her over Bernie.
I have heard from the Liz supporters here that the reason to vote for her is that she is more technocratically-skilled when it comes to drafting and implementing legislation than Bernie. Well this doesn’t support that premise.

And it comes after her going back to the drawing board just because she’s terrified of just saying under a robust effective M4A program would increase middle class income taxes despite being offset by savings. So she created a worse plan that penalizes good employers, implements a regressive flat head tax that puts a disproportionate employer tax burden on lower paid workers, allows easy evasion by outsourcing/contracting and is supposedly paid for by improbable IRS restructuring and comprehensive immigration reform. And when it’s pointed out that Bernie’s M4A is much more sensible, Warren supporters response is “Well neither of them are gonna get M4A passed so who cares?” :mindblown:

I thought the reason to support Warren was because she’s this wonk-supreme who has a plan for everything? Now it’s who cares about the details? :dead:




 

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She's right. But let ya'll think Sanders or Warren can beat Trump by being super progressive. :mjlol: This isn't a progressive country no matter how people try to spin it. You ain't winning shyt in the south with that agenda. Ya'll would be 100% hurt and ready to cry come the end of the 2020 election when Trump is doing his re-election speech while shytting on progressives and Sanders or Warren in the process.

Thank god she's Speaker. Some of these House Dems and allies are blind and irrational.
Being super moderate lost to Trump in 2016. Being super moderate lost to George Bush in 2004. Obama won in 08 by going to the left. In 2012 while Mitt Romney was being a war hawk on Iran and Russia, Obama went in the opposite direction. Don’t get me wrong, Obama ran the country as a moderate, but he ran as a progressive.
 

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She's right. But let ya'll think Sanders or Warren can beat Trump by being super progressive. :mjlol: This isn't a progressive country no matter how people try to spin it. You ain't winning shyt in the south with that agenda. Ya'll would be 100% hurt and ready to cry come the end of the 2020 election when Trump is doing his re-election speech while shytting on progressives and Sanders or Warren in the process.

Thank god she's Speaker. Some of these House Dems and allies are blind and irrational.

Facts all day.

Nancy Pelosi has demonstrated great leadership. If she bowed down to Progressives and tried to impeach him off the Mueller crap, Dems would like idiots right now.
 

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Being super moderate lost to Trump in 2016. Being super moderate lost to George Bush in 2004. Obama won in 08 by going to the left. In 2012 while Mitt Romney was being a war hawk on Iran and Russia, Obama went in the opposite direction. Don’t get me wrong, Obama ran the country as a moderate, but he ran as a progressive.

Breh Obama was not a progressive. He and Clinton were moderate. Most of their heated battles were over how not moderate the other wasn’t. Taxes, military spending, debt control.

Obama has thee progressive points: he didn’t vote for the war, Aca which still was a private run plan and the bailout terms.

I get progressives are trying to latch onto something if anything to show being progressive can win. But that’s not the case. You need to go back about 40-50 years to find a true progressive candidate who even won the democratic nomination.

Obama didn’t even publicly back abortion until late in the election cycle.

Y’all just making shyt up at this point
 

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Breh Obama was not a progressive. He and Clinton were moderate. Most of their heated battles were over how not moderate the other wasn’t. Taxes, military spending, debt control.

Obama has thee progressive points: he didn’t vote for the war, Aca which still was a private run plan and the bailout terms.

I get progressives are trying to latch onto something if anything to show being progressive can win. But that’s not the case. You need to go back about 40-50 years to find a true progressive candidate who even won the democratic nomination.

Obama didn’t even publicly back abortion until late in the election cycle.

Y’all just making shyt up at this point
There will never be a progressive black man as president of the United States.

Stop trying to ignore political reality. Theres a reason he won in the first place. He had to do A LOT of angling.

And you're full of shyt on certain issues. He supported gay marriage in the fukking mid-90s but retracted as his national profile grew. Dude is himself, progressive as shyt, but he knows the USA better than most of you do.
 

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Facts all day.

Nancy Pelosi has demonstrated great leadership. If she bowed down to Progressives and tried to impeach him off the Mueller crap, Dems would like idiots right now.
Nancy have shown terrible leadership. She stated several times that she didn’t want to do impeachment. The better strategy would of been to stay neutral. Now Republicans are using her old comments against her to muddy the waters. She stated impeachment need to be bipartisan. She got zero republican votes, and know they are using that as a talking point.

Most smart progressives didn’t want to impeach Trump because of Russia. Most smart progressives were stating he violated the emoluments clause on several occasions. I’m not even going into all her other fukk ups.
 
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