2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[King Kreole]

Warren is so strong she got alleged leftists parroting right-wing talking points about how there's no difference between taxing businesses and taxing workers.

Never would have thought I'd heard alleged leftists concern-trolling about how we have to tax workers because otherwise we'd be punishing "good employers". Imagine being so afraid of the business class that you capitulate off the rip to the dystopian future of the gig economy. We musn't ask businesses to pony up otherwise they'll make us all contract workers

This is what I love about Warren, she's not scared to go after powerful interests in meaningful ways

 

[Warren Moon]

There will never be a progressive black man as president of the United States.

Stop trying to ignore political reality. Theres a reason he won in the first place. He had to do A LOT of angling.

Obama didn’t support gay marriage and civil unions. Gave non answers on abortions.

Had the highest percentage of abstaining from voting while in office as to stay neutral on tons of topics.

I get progressives need someone as inspiration but Obama was courting republicans since the day he was an Illinois senator

He ain’t it.

How is he progressive at all?

 

[A.R.$]

Ok, so it’s not a vacuum but it requires not only concurrent restructuring of the IRS and comprehensive immigration reform, but an overhaul of labor laws to prevent employers from outsourcing and contracting as well in order to be effective. Meh.

I hear you. Like I said I think Bernie is better on healthcare, but I see what Liz is trying to do. She is making all of these issues connected and building a great case for progressive policies in general. I think this is a great negotiation position to start at.

 

[Warren Moon]

I hear you. Like I said I think Bernie is better on healthcare, but I see want Liz is trying to do. She is making all of these issues connected and building a great case for progressive policies in general. I think this is a great negotiation position to start at.

But if the goal is to start from a far left negotiating position why not just go with Bernie?

Liz is trying to play both sides.

I’ll have fundamental changes like Bernie but try to attempt to infuse it with some reality like Biden. Her messaging is mad confusing once she starts courting ppl outside of the progressive bubble

 

[Oville]

Pelosi is right on this.

M4A scares people, frankly.

Ignoring that is political malpractice.

So why are all the candidates putting the name in their bogus versions of the plan

 

[Oville]

Facts all day.

Nancy Pelosi has demonstrated great leadership. If she bowed down to Progressives and tried to impeach him off the Mueller crap, Dems would like idiots right now.

It wasnt leadership it was cowardice. She was fortunate enough that Trump was corrupt and stupid enough to try some slick shyt again a day after he was able to get away with having beaten the whole Mueller shyt. She could no longer avoid the pressure she was getting from the progressives to do her job.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Warren is so strong she got alleged leftists parroting right-wing talking points about how there's no difference between taxing businesses and taxing workers.

Never would have thought I'd heard alleged leftists concern-trolling about how we have to tax workers because otherwise we'd be punishing "good employers". Imagine being so afraid of the business class that you capitulate off the rip to the dystopian future of the gig economy. We musn't ask businesses to pony up otherwise they'll make us all contract workers

This is what I love about Warren, she's not scared to go after powerful interests in meaningful ways

Are we serious here?

Be a “progressive” and support regressive tax structures, brehs. Do you support Neal Boortz Fair Tax too?

Believe it or not there are many private businesses that are far more generous to their employees with health insurance than others.

Wal-Mart gives its workers shytty insurance plans. Some businesses such as the one I work for spends a lot more money on the dollar to get their workers plans that offer better coverage. All the more reason why it’s dumb to make them all pay their current contribution to M4A.

 

[Oville]

Warren is so strong she got alleged leftists parroting right-wing talking points about how there's no difference between taxing businesses and taxing workers.

Never would have thought I'd heard alleged leftists concern-trolling about how we have to tax workers because otherwise we'd be punishing "good employers". Imagine being so afraid of the business class that you capitulate off the rip to the dystopian future of the gig economy. We musn't ask businesses to pony up otherwise they'll make us all contract workers

This is what I love about Warren, she's not scared to go after powerful interests in meaningful ways

Its a tax on employers that will be funded by putting what are essentially premiums on the employees. And because its virtually a flat tax, the burden will fall on low income earners disproportionately. Changing the financing from a percentage point to a dollar amount to avoid it being labeled as a tax was a huge mistake since the payout per income earner looks to be extremely regressive.

 

[A.R.$]

Breh Obama was not a progressive. He and Clinton were moderate. Most of their heated battles were over how not moderate the other wasn’t. Taxes, military spending, debt control.

Obama has thee progressive points: he didn’t vote for the war, Aca which still was a private run plan and the bailout terms.

I get progressives are trying to latch onto something if anything to show being progressive can win. But that’s not the case. You need to go back about 40-50 years to find a true progressive candidate who even won the democratic nomination.

Obama didn’t even publicly back abortion until late in the election cycle.

Y’all just making shyt up at this point

I didn’t say Obama was a progress. I stated he ran the country as moderate, but campaigned as a progressive. Obama centered his campaign around being against the Iraq War. He stated he would meet with dictators without preconditions, which was radical at that time. He railed against bad trade deals like NAFTA and trade with China. He promised to close Gitmo with his first year. He vowed to ban lobbyists from his administration. It was Black people and White progressives that voted for Obama in 08. Hillary got almost all of the moderate vote.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Nancy have shown terrible leadership. She stated several times that she didn’t want to do impeachment. The better strategy would of been to stay neutral. Now Republicans are using her old comments against her to muddy the waters. She stated impeachment need to be bipartisan. She got zero republican votes, and know they are using that as a talking point.

Most smart progressives didn’t want to impeach Trump because of Russia. Most smart progressives were stating he violated the emoluments clause on several occasions. I’m not even going into all her other fukk ups.

I don't know why anyone keeps saying politicians are full of shyt yet believing everything they say.

SOMETIMES they lie to push a narrative

Yet she still did impeachment.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Warren is so strong she got alleged leftists parroting right-wing talking points about how there's no difference between taxing businesses and taxing workers.

Never would have thought I'd heard alleged leftists concern-trolling about how we have to tax workers because otherwise we'd be punishing "good employers". Imagine being so afraid of the business class that you capitulate off the rip to the dystopian future of the gig economy. We musn't ask businesses to pony up otherwise they'll make us all contract workers

This is what I love about Warren, she's not scared to go after powerful interests in meaningful ways

Yeah, I fukk with Brooks but this is downright shameful

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Obama didn’t support gay marriage and civil unions. Gave non answers on abortions.

Had the highest percentage of abstaining from voting while in office as to stay neutral on tons of topics.

I get progressives need someone as inspiration but Obama was courting republicans since the day he was an Illinois senator

He ain’t it.

How is he progressive at all?

Yes he did.

Obama backed same-sex marriage in 1996

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So why are all the candidates putting the name in their bogus versions of the plan

Because Bernie's bill is bullshyt.

The ACA is like 900+ pages. Bernie's is like...40/50? and there's a whole other Jayapal bill out there.

Bernie even co-opted John Conyers Medicare for All bill!

What Rep. John Conyers’s sweeping single-payer health care bill would actually do

HR 676 Introduced by Rep. John Conyers Jr. – Single Payer Now

They all staked out positions on a progressive piece of legislation that would never pass. Stop acting so politically naive.




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[A.R.$]

But if the goal is to start from a far left negotiating position why not just go with Bernie?

Liz is trying to play both sides.

I’ll have fundamental changes like Bernie but try to attempt to infuse it with some reality like Biden. Her messaging is mad confusing once she starts courting ppl outside of the progressive bubble

I like Liz for other reasons besides healthcare. She predicted the housing crisis years before it happened. This is when most economists, and the media was saying how great the economy was. She predicted how the bankruptcy bill would hurt the average American, and pointed out the corruption in it. She been in the fronts lines with consumer protections. After all the deregulation Trump has done, I think we are headed for another economic collapse. I think Liz by far has the best record on financial issues, and trust her the most if this happens.

 

[Warren Moon]

Yes he did.

Obama backed same-sex marriage in 1996

He backtracked and ran on civil unions.

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