2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[Dusty Bake Activate]

"Her whole campaign is centered around her being a technocrat supreme" is some bullshyt framing that Bernie stans made up to widen artificial divisions between Bernie and Liz. Almost every single one of her campaign speeches is filled with calls for civic engagement and the masses rising up and exerting people power. Her theory of change is her pushing from the inside while activists and the public pull from the outside. She constantly says she can't do this alone and bigs up the grassroots. But y'all always leave that part out because you wish Bernie had a monopoly on calls for grassroots engagement

Yeah just like Donald Trump ran “the most pro-black campaign in modern Republican history”?

Her campaign slogan is “I have a plan”!!!

Where do you see any calls for grassroots civic engagement in that???

That’s why she overlaps primarily with Kamala and Buttigieg voters...her campaign is marketing her as technocratic wizard.

 

[A.R.$]

This is exactly what he should have said, but he can't because the man doesn't even have a plan to pay for it yet but sees fit to start popping off against the only one out there

Liz never pulls shyt like this. Not when she was struggling down there in the single digits, and not now as she's surging into the lead. She's running her own race, not tearing down her fellow progressives to get ahead.

I think he is starting to listen to some of his supporters. They are itching for him to attack her. It is so shortsighted. I would have the same criticism of Liz if she would criticize Bernie about a small difference.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Ted Kennedy still wanted single payer in the late 70s. He introduced single payer legislation in 71. Nixon was the one pushing the individual mandate. Kennedy, and Nixon couldn’t make a deal because Kennedy wouldn't compromise. Kennedy was still pushing single payer as late as 77. In 77 he stated he would compromise with Carter, but then went back on this promise in 79.

Carter campaigned on a single payer plan (however he left himself with some wiggle room), but backed off of it once he got elected, and initially didn’t want to do a big healthcare bill.

Carter proposed a national insurance plan in 79 that would of been similar to a public option. Kennedy opposed the bill because he still wanted single payer even though he agreed to change his single payer bill in 77 to work with carter. This is one of the reasons Kennedy primaried Carter in 1980.

If they didn’t do their petty infighting we would of had a public option at a minimal, and probably single payer by now.

Ok. I unserstood that Kennedy had moved off single payer by 79 but I haven’t studied it too closely so I’ll take your word for it.

 

[wire28]

The average person is not going to understand the difference of a head tax vs a payroll tax. What they are going to see is the moderates having a clear united message, and Liz and Bernie having a disjointed message. It is going to look like supporters of M4A can’t even agree on it.

What Bernie should of said is I will let Liz explain her funding plan, here is how I plan to pay for it.

so you are saying bernie cares more about himself than the political ideology im shocked

 

[No1]

Fair enough. I think Carter is a great post president, but could of did a lot more when he was actually president. I think Ted Kennedy would of done a lot better in the 1980 election than Carter. Carter had little to no charisma. That didn’t matter in 76 because Ford had even less charisma than Carter. Reagan was a different animal. Ted Kennedy might of still loss, but I think he would of had a better chance.

In early polls Ted was up on both by like 30 percent. Carter just won those early primaries because people always support the president when he dons the commander in Chief hat. Without that, Ted beats him and he does much better against Reagan. Carter was trying to be a light clintonite when the left was still powerful. Reagan changed the political calculus. Carter can be blamed for why we are where we are by ushering in the Reagan era by being a trash ass president that couldn’t even motivate his own base.

 

[No1]

Ok. I unserstood that Kennedy had moved off single payer by 79 but I haven’t studied it too closely so I’ll take your word for it.

Kennedy endorsed a public option in the 78 midterms. He had moved off it to a degree but it was a comprehensive public option. Carter tried to push some bullshyt that would entirely be privately funded.

 

[A.R.$]

I don’t think in her current state she has a chance. Voters there don’t like her at all

I think she can win them, but I will admit that she has a lot of work to do.

I think some people that don’t know her record have wrongfully labeled her Hillary 2.0. The only thing similar about Liz and Hillary is that they are both old white women.

I do think it is a little bit of sexism from White men. When I was talking to my accountant early this year when I was getting my taxes done, he commented on how he hated Elizabeth Warren. When I asked why he didn’t have a good reason. He just said I hate her attitude. I take that as he doesn’t like the way she speaks to White men in senate hearings. This was around the time she made news for yelling at Wells Fargo CEO.

The fact that she looks like a grandmother I think hurts her as well.

With all that said I still think she can win once she start paying for national ads explaining her history.

 

[afterlife2009]

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What is going to happen is all of the other candidates are going to unite against M4A. Bernie and Liz are going to be infighting about of to pay for it, and the average person is not going to understand the details. The average person is not going to understand the difference of a head tax vs a payroll tax. What they are going to see is the moderates having a clear united message, and Liz and Bernie having a disjointed message. It is going to look like supporters of M4A can’t even agree on it.

And who's fault is this lmao? Bernie was the one with a strong, clear message.


@Mephistopheles like I said, instead of talking about people's suffering, we now have to talk about the white papers and why M4A is unfeasible because it's tied to immigration reform passing(which hasn't happened in 30 years), the IRS generating money and cutting Pentagon spending. Jeff Bezos' hitters feasting

 

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Who’s Actually Electable in 2020?

Biden’s beating Trump in 5 out 6 battleground states

Warren is losing to Trump in 5 out of 6 states

Bernies getting a lot of disengaged voters to
vote

according to @King Kreole There are 100’s of thousands of disengaged voters in battleground states sitting idly just waiting on the chance to go and vote Liz in.

those voters in the battleground states say you are full of shyt they dislike warren on a 2 to 1 basis

In fact they they don’t ride with warren at all. They openly dislike her

what other fugazi scenarios are you going to make up to say she can win.

Reality is about to hit these niccas something fierce in a minute. Just wait on it.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Yeah just like Donald Trump ran “the most pro-black campaign in modern Republican history”?

Her campaign slogan is “I have a plan”!!!

Where do you see any calls for grassroots civic engagement in that???

That’s why she overlaps primarily with Kamala and Buttigieg voters...her campaign is marketing her as technocratic wizard.

I have a plan is better than im with her

Voters rail on candidates for talking in platitudes without many specifics and that slogan counters that. Its wonky but it serves a purpose. Im with her was just complete trash

 

[A.R.$]

Ok. I unserstood that Kennedy had moved off single payer by 79 but I haven’t studied it too closely so I’ll take your word for it.

Kennedy endorsed a public option in the 78 midterms. He had moved off it to a degree but it was a comprehensive public option. Carter tried to push some bullshyt that would entirely be privately funded.

This is correct. Kennedy was still pushing single payer until 77. In 77 Kennedy made an attempt to compromise with Carter, and backed off single payer. But Cater never endorsed a healthcare proposal until 79. Carter bill had a national insurance component, but it wasn’t strong enough for Kennedy. Carter national insurance plan wouldn’t of started being phased until 83. It was a real piece meal approach.

 

[saturn7]

Watch Wall Street Billionaire Literally Cry Over Choice Between Trump and Elizabeth Warren

Watch Wall Street Billionaire Literally Cry Over Choice Between Trump and Elizabeth Warren

These fukking billionaires and the non-billionaires who defend them.

 

[A.R.$]

Watch Wall Street Billionaire Literally Cry Over Choice Between Trump and Elizabeth Warren

Watch Wall Street Billionaire Literally Cry Over Choice Between Trump and Elizabeth Warren

These fukking billionaires and the non-billionaires who defend them.

I couldn’t even focus on what he was saying because of how bad his hair piece was

 

[No1]

It's a more accurate portrayal. moderate presidential candidates aren't running on policy positions that crossover with the republican party.

Dems are still left of center.

Republicans have moved further right.


Challenge, what major policies are

Democrats are more left of center than at any point in the past 25 years. The Republican Party is more right wing than Reagan. There is a gulf between them. The moderate you’re describing seems like a debate with a big tent Democratic Party but not the nation as a whole. And even then it’s essentially Obama Democrat, which is slightly left of Clinton vs. Sanders or Warren Democrat’s. As a Warren supporter you would not be classified as a moderate or 90s style Democrat. You are closer to. Sanders style Democrat, which is basically a McGovern era Democrat.

 

[88m3]

Democrats are more left of center than at any point in the past 25 years. The Republican Party is more right wing than Reagan. There is a gulf between them. The moderate you’re describing seems like a debate with a big tent Democratic Party but not the nation as a whole. And even then it’s essentially Obama Democrat, which is slightly left of Clinton vs. Sanders or Warren Democrat’s. As a Warren supporter you would not be classified as a moderate or 90s style Democrat. You are closer to. Sanders style Democrat, which is basically a McGovern era Democrat.

So you're basically saying they're Whigs