2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[intra vires]

So Biden has been on record saying he supports DC and PR statehood, although I haven't seen anything regarding DC from this cycle. Moreover, he supported removing the filibuster in 2013 but was against it in 2005 (note who controlled the Senate) so he may be more amenable to this than we're giving him credit for. I wouldn't hold my breath on the filibuster though.

We all know there's a slim to none chance M4A is getting passed by the next president. I'm starting to wonder if it was dumb for Warren to attach herself to this approach. If she ran on a public option and strict reforms to drug pricing she'd probably be in the mid 30's/low 40's right now.

Yeah, it was politically unwise to run on it because the only people who would hold it against her are were never in play for the primary, so they're irrelevant. She can't move away from it now without it damaging her, so I'm not going to bother speculating it.

The important thing is she's well-positioned and has a clear path forward. Biden does have a comfortable lead in SC and NV though.

 

[Pressure]

Democrats are more left of center than at any point in the past 25 years. The Republican Party is more right wing than Reagan. There is a gulf between them. The moderate you’re describing seems like a debate with a big tent Democratic Party but not the nation as a whole. And even then it’s essentially Obama Democrat, which is slightly left of Clinton vs. Sanders or Warren Democrat’s. As a Warren supporter you would not be classified as a moderate or 90s style Democrat. You are closer to. Sanders style Democrat, which is basically a McGovern era Democrat.

Let's get back on track.

Do you think there is a discernable difference between a moderate Democrat and a moderate republican?

Do you consider there to be a discernable difference between moderate democrats like Beto, Harris and Book to centrists like Manchin and Collins?

 

[JoogJoint]

Man the way everyone is attacking Warren, as much as I like her and think she would actually be a good president...the cynical side of me is questioning whether we shouldn’t just fall in line behind Biden

At this point you might as well. Older Black voters are going to carry him in the primaries. People are foolish to believe somebody other than Biden is going to get the nomination.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Democrats are more left of center than at any point in the past 25 years. The Republican Party is more right wing than Reagan. There is a gulf between them. The moderate you’re describing seems like a debate with a big tent Democratic Party but not the nation as a whole. And even then it’s essentially Obama Democrat, which is slightly left of Clinton vs. Sanders or Warren Democrat’s. As a Warren supporter you would not be classified as a moderate or 90s style Democrat. You are closer to. Sanders style Democrat, which is basically a McGovern era Democrat.

Like that guy actually knows what he’s believes

He just parrots whatever the DNC talking points of the day are. I’m close to putting him ignore.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

julian needs to drop out too

steyer is a POS and a waste of people's time. the most false flaggin poll #'s ever

 

[Pressure]

Like that guy actually knows what he’s believes

He just parrots whatever the DNC talking points of the day are. I’m close to putting him ignore.

You keep saying that then do it.

But my positions have been fleshed out and consistent since I've been on this board.

 

[88m3]

Scott Walker says

seriously who cares

 

[No1]

julian needs to drop out too

steyer is a POS and a waste of people's time. the most false flaggin poll #'s ever

I like Julian. He speaks the most truth about race. But yeah it’s over.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

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Who’s Actually Electable in 2020?

Biden’s beating Trump in 5 out 6 battleground states

Warren is losing to Trump in 5 out of 6 states

Bernies getting a lot of disengaged voters to
vote

according to @King Kreole There are 100’s of thousands of disengaged voters in battleground states sitting idly just waiting on the chance to go and vote Liz in.

those voters in the battleground states say you are full of shyt they dislike warren on a 2 to 1 basis

In fact they they don’t ride with warren at all. They openly dislike her

what other fugazi scenarios are you going to make up to say she can win.

Yup a lot of working class everyday voters are just not fukking with Liz at all and it's a shame cause her policies could benefit them. I don't talk about politics a lot with people who don't follow it very closely, but whenever I do I find that most people that aren't already ideologically liberal just don't fukk with her...at all. This is mostly men I'm talking about and a lot of it is sexism.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I think she is brilliant when it comes to financial policy. I think she is good but not brilliant in most other areas. I have repeatedly stated that I think Bernie is better on healthcare than Liz.

I think people are missing the big picture. It is not about Liz or Bernie personally. It’s is about pushing forward progressive policies. Bernie being critical of Liz’s M4A plan is a political mistake. Paramila Jayapal understands this, that is why she came to Liz defense, even though her plan is more expansive than Bernie/Liz plan.

What is going to happen is all of the other candidates are going to unite against M4A. Bernie and Liz are going to be infighting about of to pay for it, and the average person is not going to understand the details. The average person is not going to understand the difference of a head tax vs a payroll tax. What they are going to see is the moderates having a clear united message, and Liz and Bernie having a disjointed message. It is going to look like supporters of M4A can’t even agree on it.

What Bernie should of said is I will let Liz explain her funding plan, here is how I plan to pay for it.

Bernie Sanders is running for president and has every right to make the case that he is the best candidate and contrast his vision with Liz, especially considering he's behind her in most polls. His critique of her M4A wasn't harsh at all. It was very complimentary. He just said why he thinks his approach is better. If he can't do that, you might as well tell him to drop out of the race because you're kinda saying he shouldn't try and win in a roundabout way. You can't realistically expect a presidential candidate that's not in the lead to not to take the competition to task on a matter that's purely policy.

If the other candidates unite against M4A, I'm sure both of them will extoll the benefits of it over whatever the other Dems support. They don't have a disjointed message. They're both for M4A and everyone else isn't.

 

[No1]

I don’t have the links but Data for Progress polling shows both Sanders and Warren doing better than Biden against Trump in battleground states.

 

[intra vires]

julian needs to drop out too

Idk Castro still has something to contribute...



Let him finish what he started, he can drop out at the end of November.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I like Julian. He speaks the most truth about race. But yeah it’s over.

he would've been my #1b had he even had a shot, but he's been out of it from the outset, time to call it.

 

[A.R.$]

Bernie Sanders is running for president and has every right to make the case that he is the best candidate and contrast his vision with Liz, especially considering he's behind her in most polls. His critique of her M4A wasn't harsh at all. It was very complimentary. He just said why he thinks his approach is better. If he can't do that, you might as well tell him to drop out of the race because you're kinda saying he shouldn't try and win in a roundabout way. You can't realistically expect a presidential candidate that's not in the lead to not to take the competition to task on a matter that's purely policy.

If the other candidates unite against M4A, I'm sure both of them will extoll the benefits of it over whatever the other Dems support. They don't have a disjointed message. They're both for M4A and everyone else isn't.

I think you are looking at it from the point of view of someone who know about politics and policy. The average person don’t know jack shyt about politics/ policy. Going into the details about a head tax vs a payroll tax is getting deep into the weeds. The majority of people don’t even know what a head tax is. People are going to be lost at what the debate is even about. I understand Bernie is running against Liz but splinting hairs like this does not help him politically, and I argue will actually hurt him, due to the confusion a in the weeds argument like this will cause. This is the argument Bernie supports like Kyle and Michael Brooks use to against Warren. They say she is too technocratic and get into too far into the weeds. The difference between Warren and Sanders M4A funding approach is nothing but a technocratic debate. Something a lot of Bernie supporters claims is a negative.