Jhoon
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Yang would probably be leading if the media wasn't tryna ron paul him...
what is $1000 a month? If you’re working 160 hours a month, what’s the hourly wage?
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what is $1000 a month? If you’re working 160 hours a month, what’s the hourly wage?
Jhoon
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That’s what he’s counting on? What an awful politician.I was never counting on Iowa or New Hampshire, but that blue wall of protection in the south is his. Which will lead him to the nomination
An awful politician who is leading all major polls
Jhoon
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National polls. In states that are Democrat’s fools gold.An awful politician who is leading all major polls
You don’t really want to go through the primary schedule. The candidate you’re purporting to support probably won’t make it past March 4th.
So now national polls mean nothing
, when Biden Sweeps the south and puts Warren and Bernie out of their misery, I will love to hear your excuses.Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Clear, concise, believable.
Lol @King Kreole calling those of us who favor a payroll tax vs. a head tax using right wing talking points then Bernie comes out with a written statement saying the same thing.
I guess Bernie is a crypto-Republican who thinks corporations are people.
Jhoon
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Will Biden win California?So now national polls mean nothing
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Rest In Power Kobe
This is stupid. Both figures are paltry and not enough to get by.
Yang would probably be leading if the media wasn't tryna ron paul him...
on top of that, it’s not either/or. The answer is both! Have a standard wage that’s more than $15/hr and have a basic income that’s much higher than $12,000 a year.
Is California in the south?
Did I mention anything about Cali in my previous post?Jhoon
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How many delegates does Biden plan on winning in the south? How many delegates are needed to clinch the nomination?Is California in the south?
Biden’s sweep of the south and his proportional delegates from other states including Cali will be enough to win the nomination.
King Kreole
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See, this is the type of M4A debate I was hoping we'd see. I would be thrilled if we moved on from disingenuous attacks to a payroll tax vs head tax discussion that normalizes the concept of M4A and shifts the Overton Window. One is a disincentive to low-wage hiring while the other is a disincentive to worker wage increases. Hearing about why Bernie and Liz have chosen one option over the other might be interesting. Bernie is also advocating for an additional direct tax on workers' income, so I would be interested to hear him robustly spell out why now that a non-direct option is on the table. I think he has a righteous claim in trying to reframe taxes from something most people think about in a negative way to something positive, but it's an exponentially more difficult route than the one Liz has taken to get to the same outcome. I will say, it's funny to see Bernie turn into a pro-business booster in that quote, don't think I've ever heard him say he's concerned about job creators before
Clear, concise, believable.
Lol @King Kreole calling those of us who favor a payroll tax vs. a head tax using right wing talking points then Bernie comes out with a written statement saying the same thing.
I guess Bernie is a crypto-Republican who thinks corporations are people.
Payroll tax vs Head tax was never a real issue except to Bernie stans desperately grasping for reasons to get Liz out the paint. Both are employer-side taxes, and I even said yesterday that you can make a case for either one. Plus, it's only 1/3 of the funding in Liz's plan.
The right-wing talking point is saying there's a 1-to-1 correlation between employer-side taxes and employee-side taxes, a conflation you still seem committed to making just so you can hold onto the delusion that Bernie didn't get outworked by Liz here. This employer-employee distinction is important because Bernie seems to be committed to also levying an employee-side direct tax on workers, which is the real battleground between his plan's and Liz's plan. Bernie stans have been disingenuously trying to conflate the two because doing so negates a strength of Liz's plan. The reason I prefer Liz's employer-side tax is because any potential negative impact on workers can be diffused through worker power and collective action, which she has heavily incentivized in her plan...damn she's good
. A direct tax on workers doesn't present that opportunity. I sincerely hope he doesn't, but if Bernie starts parroting Matt Breunig's dumbass article about how there's no difference between taxing workers and taxing companies, then yes, he'll be pushing a right-wing talking point. And it would be a special type of irony because it's literally the same line of attack the right has been using against his call for minimum wage increases and unionization.
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Exactly.
Bernie likes UBI but wants the livable wage first to protect against the bullshyt that follows.
Just giving people a grand a month isn't gonna account for the fukkey that follows with renters, employers and everything else falling back on "well you get a 1000 a month so...".
How bout felons, brothers just getting outta prison, homeless and the people that can't get a job? Yang would help em get on they feet... and if you already have a job add another 1000$ a month and the common man would have much more in general.
Secure Da Bag
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When it comes to this "tax thing", Republicans got Democrats looking stupid. Let's be clear. Taxes, in particular, Medicare tax is gonna be raised. It has to be raised. There's no way to have universal healthcare insurance without it. Democrats need to just admit that. And a payroll tax is one of the ways to do that.