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Watching Warren's speeches over the past couple days in Seattle and Denver, she's aggressively going after Bernie on his support for the filibuster meaning he's more talk than action and how she's the progresssive with the actual goods to implement the agenda and get it done. It's her best line of attack against him and I think she's gonna drop it on him during the debate :lupe:

Whether it will make enough of a difference at this point, I don't know, but I love how if she goes out she's going out swinging. The Unity Grandma Liz era is over, this is blood and teeth Liz :banderas:
I'm with liz, more so then Bernie, because I think she can really get under trump's skin, but either way as long as my student loans are forgiven between bernie and Liz, I'm cool with either one. :hubie:
 

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Her proposal isnt "medicare for all" its "medicare for some..... If you meet xy and z qualifications that republicans will eventually bully me into making unattainable"

She's not a real progressive and thus not winning the nomination. If you really support universal healthcare then your words here are incongruent
Gotta stop you right there, partner, you're posting malarkey. You're confusing her transition plan for her funding plan, and even then you're wrong about her transition plan. The funding plan accounts for the entire cost of M4A and does not raise middle-class taxes, it chooses to instead increase taxes on the wealthy and wall street while cutting defense spending.

And the entire point of her transition plan is to avoid having to negotiate with Mitch and the Republicans by making the first step (show and prove M4A by giving it to 40% of the population and build support to give it to the other 60% by year 3) eligible to be passed by a simple Senate majority via budget reconciliation. It's Bernie's plan that will require being bullied by Republicans because he's doing all of M4A in one step, which means it can't be passed via reconciliation due to the provision abolishing private insurance, and because he refused to endorse getting rid of the filibuster it will need 60 votes, which gives Mitch the veto over all of his legislative plans (M4A, GND, etc).

Also you can only do budget reconciliation once every fiscal year, so Bernie's position here is that he will attempt only 1 legislative item every year, so if M4A is voted down (it will be) he's burned his one legislative attempt for the year. Even his opening gamble of forcing an M4A vote to the floor in week 1 of his Presidency is a worse position than hers because it will, at most, have the support of maybe 15 Senators and suffer an embarrassing defeat, gifting the Republicans even more negotiating leverage when the time comes for Bernie to walk his plan back. And even the idea of Bernie negotiating down his opening M4A gambit doesn't make sense because it's incredibly difficult to resubmit your budget orders once already sent out.

This is why it's useful to have someone who understands the system and thinks things through on a deeper level in power
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it was already gone, because hillary lost it :dahell: dems dont have it
As usual the cac doesn't get it.

Sanders comments will LITERALLY ruin any down ticket races with shyt like this.

People will stay home, write something in, or straight up vote for Trump because of this.


Sanders comments are helping Trump to win the House of Representatives.

 

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Gotta stop you right there, partner, you're posting malarkey. You're confusing her transition plan for her funding plan, and even then you're wrong about her transition plan. The funding plan accounts for the entire cost of M4A and does not raise middle-class taxes, it chooses to instead increase taxes on the wealthy and wall street while cutting defense spending.

And the entire point of her transition plan is to avoid having to negotiate with Mitch and the Republicans by making the first step (show and prove M4A by giving it to 40% of the population and build support to give it to the other 60% by year 3) eligible to be passed by a simple Senate majority via budget reconciliation. It's Bernie's plan that will require being bullied by Republicans because he's doing all of M4A in one step, which means it can't be passed via reconciliation due to the provision abolishing private insurance, and because he refused to endorse getting rid of the filibuster it will need 60 votes, which gives Mitch the veto over all of his legislative plans (M4A, GND, etc).

Also you can only do budget reconciliation once every fiscal year, so Bernie's position here is that he will attempt only 1 legislative item every year, so if M4A is voted down (it will be) he's burned his one legislative attempt for the year. Even his opening gamble of forcing an M4A vote to the floor in week 1 of his Presidency is a worse position than hers because it will, at most, have the support of maybe 15 Senators and suffer an embarrassing defeat, gifting the Republicans even more negotiating leverage when the time comes for Bernie to walk his plan back. And even the idea of Bernie negotiating down his opening M4A gambit doesn't make sense because it's incredibly difficult to resubmit your budget orders once already sent out.

This is why it's useful to have someone who understands the system and thinks things through on a deeper level in power
LQe3ZGd.png
post this in here: Answer to the eternal question - How to fund Medicare For All (Wonky)
 

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Warren is counting on her supporters being 1) too dumb to realize that Bernie doesn't support the filibuster, and that he voted to end it back when Obama was President while Warren voted for it
I guess Bernie is counting on his supporters being too dumb to realize that's not his position anymore





2) the President doesn't control whether or not the Senate rolls back the filibuster.
I find it interesting that supporters of a candidate whose entire governing philosophy is about shifting the Overton Window all of a sudden develop amnesia about effective use of the bully pulpit :jbhmm:

Apparently Bernie's bully pulpit is strong enough to get Mitch and Manchin to support M4A but not strong enough to get the Democrats to revert Senate rules back to what they were a couple years ago
 

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As usual the cac doesn't get it.

Sanders comments will LITERALLY ruin any down ticket races with shyt like this.

People will stay home, write something in, or straight up vote for Trump because of this.


Sanders comments are helping Trump to win the House of Representatives.


you dont know anything about politics, so ill have to take your comments with a grain of salt :yeshrug:

you pick loser after loser, but for some reason think you know what it takes to win
 

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Watching Warren's speeches over the past couple days in Seattle and Denver, she's aggressively going after Bernie on his support for the filibuster meaning he's more talk than action and how she's the progresssive with the actual goods to implement the agenda and get it done. It's her best line of attack against him and I think she's gonna drop it on him during the debate :lupe:

Whether it will make enough of a difference at this point, I don't know, but I love how if she goes out she's going out swinging. The Unity Grandma Liz era is over, this is blood and teeth Liz :banderas:
She just finished behind F*ckboy Pete in Nevada and is polling behind him in South Carolina :mjtf:

How much of a difference can she make? Leapfrog Pete only to then end up 4th again when Bloomberg joins the race.

She's Amy Klobuchar status at this point and Amy is now Tulsi Gabbard status and none of them have enough self respect to drop out :hubie:
 

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