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Gotta stop you right there, partner, you're posting malarkey. You're confusing her transition plan for her funding plan, and even then you're wrong about her transition plan. The funding plan accounts for the entire cost of M4A and does not raise middle-class taxes, it chooses to instead increase taxes on the wealthy and wall street while cutting defense spending.

And the entire point of her transition plan is to avoid having to negotiate with Mitch and the Republicans by making the first step (show and prove M4A by giving it to 40% of the population and build support to give it to the other 60% by year 3) eligible to be passed by a simple Senate majority via budget reconciliation. It's Bernie's plan that will require being bullied by Republicans because he's doing all of M4A in one step, which means it can't be passed via reconciliation due to the provision abolishing private insurance, and because he refused to endorse getting rid of the filibuster it will need 60 votes, which gives Mitch the veto over all of his legislative plans (M4A, GND, etc).

Also you can only do budget reconciliation once every fiscal year, so Bernie's position here is that he will attempt only 1 legislative item every year, so if M4A is voted down (it will be) he's burned his one legislative attempt for the year. Even his opening gamble of forcing an M4A vote to the floor in week 1 of his Presidency is a worse position than hers because it will, at most, have the support of maybe 15 Senators and suffer an embarrassing defeat, gifting the Republicans even more negotiating leverage when the time comes for Bernie to walk his plan back. And even the idea of Bernie negotiating down his opening M4A gambit doesn't make sense because it's incredibly difficult to resubmit your budget orders once already sent out.

This is why it's useful to have someone who understands the system and thinks things through on a deeper level in power
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Wait what part of this disproved what I said?

I only spoke on the who gets covered because Liz at the end of the day is too bendable to deliver on universal healthcare. Thats why the public chose the more authentic candidate to deliver it.

I like the intent and thought put into drafting them but ultimately I feel better with a movement of the American people as a driver for it than a bunch of "if, then" ass plans.

nikkas dont even want to discuss plans on merit, just now the goalposts are moved to what republicans will fight as if they dont fight any and everything.

Liz's pragmatism will be needed in the senate.
 

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She just finished behind F*ckboy Pete in Nevada and is polling behind him in South Carolina :mjtf:

How much of a difference can she make? Leapfrog Pete only to then end up 4th again when Bloomberg joins the race.

She's Amy Klobuchar status at this point and Amy is now Tulsi Gabbard status and none of them have enough self respect to drop out :hubie:
She's attacking bernie tho :skip: at least he's getting his money's worth, fukk winning :mjgrin:
 

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I was playing around with tax calculators between the USA and the UK to see what the difference is.

If you make $50,000 in the US, that’s roughly $38,000 after tax (may vary by state). I get that people contribute to 401ks and health plans but imma keep it simple.

The equivalent of $50,000 in the U.K. is 38,618 pounds. That’s roughly 29,796 pounds after UK taxes are taken out which is equivalates back to $38,577 in US dollars. The UK worker makes roughly the same post tax earnings in terms of purchasing power as the US worker.

If you jump the salary to $150,000, the US worker has roughly $100,700 after tax (may vary by state). The U.K. worker (115,854 is the British Pound equivalent of $150,000) has 72,557 pounds after tax which is roughly equivalent to $93,900 in US dollars on a post tax basis. It’s $7,000 more than the US person had to pay but in the scheme of things it’s not a big deal.

Why is it that the British pay a comparable tax rate to us but they have various social services that we don’t in America :jbhmm:
 
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