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Unfortunately the majority of voters (even if it's a small majority) do want what Vance and Fuentes are selling :francis: that being Christian nationalism and getting rid of as many brown people as possible. That's the current social environment.

I wish it wasn't true but it is, if it wasn't then Trump wouldn't have been elected twice. I just don't buy this idea that people don't know what they're voting for, or that they think Trump is some sort of economic genius.
This is false . Majority of voters just want a good ecomomy
 

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you're getting too discouraged by trump's wins; they both came against women, and in cycles when the republican primary was basically the general election

-in 2016, the republican party had the momentum back after 8 years of a Dem president. hillary was an awful, disliked, establishment candidate, AND up against the gender barrier

-got his ass kicked in 2020

-in 2024, any republican with a pulse beats kamala. she sucked, and the economy sucked. it's time we all admit that

a good moderate Dem represents the widest range of voters, and can beat a republican in most years. trump is not a "winner", with a coalition; he's a fukkin fluke

Nah, a "fluke" doesn't win twice, and honestly had it not been for COVID he probably would've beaten Biden (or any Dem in 2020)

This is false . Majority of voters just want a good ecomomy

The majority of voters think immigrants and lazy black people are responsible for their economic problems :yeshrug: as long as that's the case far-right Republicans will continue to get elected more often than not

Dems really only win in the aftermath of Republicans doing something especially terrible (ie. War in Iraq, mishandling COVID, etc.). Maybe they can eke out a win in 2028 based off Trump's terribleness but in a neutral environment Americans lean toward electing right-wing a$$holes, especially post-Obama.
 

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Nah, a "fluke" doesn't win twice, and honestly had it not been for COVID he probably would've beaten Biden (or any Dem in 2020)



The majority of voters think immigrants and lazy black people are responsible for their economic problems :yeshrug: as long as that's the case far-right Republicans will continue to get elected more often than not

Dems really only win in the aftermath of Republicans doing something especially terrible (ie. War in Iraq, mishandling COVID, etc.). Maybe they can eke out a win in 2028 based off Trump's terribleness but in a neutral environment Americans lean toward electing right-wing a$$holes, especially post-Obama.
Yea im aware you posted this defeatist mentality before. You're of mind that voters are simply racist and not economy driven. Democrats should lay down and roll over.
 

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Nah, a "fluke" doesn't win twice, and honestly had it not been for COVID he probably would've beaten Biden (or any Dem in 2020)
if Biden (or insert Biden-like Dem) runs in 2016, Trump and Trumpism probably gets killed in the crib :yeshrug: Hillary was the perfect opponent for him. Fox News had been preparing for her run for 20 years

everything about him is a fluke. Dems fukking up the '24 nomination process was a MASSIVE fluke. he's the only president in 240 years who ran against women; BOTH times :dead:


The majority of voters think immigrants and lazy black people are responsible for their economic problems :yeshrug: as long as that's the case far-right Republicans will continue to get elected more often than not
while i'm certainly not gonna deny that this sentiment exists, you're just making excuses for losing. Dems nominated badly in 2016 and 2024

AND there's plenty of reason to justify not voting Democrat, when you look at the cost, corruption, and insane ideas in the dark blue, far left areas. you really think you can nationally demand "anyone who won't vote to be ruled by Democrats is a racist" :mjlol: that's laughable. where would that sense of hubris come from?
 
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if Biden (or insert Biden-like Dem) runs in 2016, Trump and Trumpism probably gets killed in the crib :yeshrug: Hillary was the perfect opponent for him. Fox News had been preparing for her run for 20 years

everything about him is a fluke. Dems fukking up the '24 nomination process was a MASSIVE fluke. he's the only president in 240 years who ran against women; BOTH times :dead:



while i'm certainly not gonna deny that this sentiment exists, you're just making excuses for losing. Dems nominated badly in 2016 and 2024

AND there's plenty of reason to justify not voting Democrat, when you look at the cost, corruption, and insane ideas in the dark blue, far left areas. you really think you can nationally demand "anyone who won't vote to be ruled by Democrats is a racist" :mjlol: that's laughable. where would that sense of hubris come from?

I'm not demanding anything :yeshrug: if people want to continue to vote for Republicans then that's what it is (and what I generally expect). In fact my whole point is that they do.

Just pointing out that in the current social environment, Dems will generally lose by default.
 

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dark red states is literally 100 worse than dark blue states yet faux mamba never says anything about it :mjpls:. Red states are legitimately welfare states
 

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dark red states is literally 100 worse than dark blue states yet faux mamba never says anything about it :mjpls:. Red states are legitimately welfare states
and people who live in dark red states aren't overpaying to get neglected by the government



:mjlol:

these dark blue areas are great at creating a rich, highly pensioned class of unaccountable government bureaucrats/employees. but if you're not in that class, the rest of the "benefits" seem pretty negligible for the average taxpayer

maybe your whining and crying about taxing billionaires would catch on more, if people actually believed the Dems would get that money to them. but they don't believe you :yeshrug: it will just get funneled and stolen through state governments, then town governments, and we might get a few scraps
 
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:mjlol: whole post mirror the typical maga influencer in 2025
you're just not winning the messaging war :mjlol:

you can whine and cry all you want about the rich having too much money, but no one believes that the Democratic party can be trusted to take that money, and effectively trickle it down without robbing it/wasting it/looking the other way on fraud. no one believes you

 

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you're just not winning the messaging war :mjlol:

you can whine and cry all you want about the rich having too much money, but no one believes that the Democratic party can be trusted to take that money, and effectively trickle it down without robbing it/wasting it/looking the other way on fraud. no one believes you


7 out of 10 Americans want to tax billionaires you just republican water holding as usual :mjlol:. Even cueing up there democrat spending arguments to defend billionaires

 

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7 out of 10 Americans want to tax billionaires
and yet americans just elected a billionaire who ran on cutting taxes on himself :mjlol::mjlol:

you live in a fantasy land; progressives just can't sell it. no one likes you, and no one believes you. i don't see that changing any time soon

republicans are lucky you can't separate effective economic populism from all your other weird, bullshyt ass positions. there's almost zero danger of the far left gaining any national traction
 
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dark red states is literally 100 worse than dark blue states yet faux mamba never says anything about it :mjpls:. Red states are legitimately welfare states

Im not fan of TCM, but your perspectives overlap more than you might think. When he talks about people not believing that Dems might actually tax billionaires to make the lives of ordinary people better, that rhymes with something you might say. Dems clearly have a credibility problem with the general public, which goes in to how an obvious con man could beat us in twice.

And if Dems want to be taken seriously as the party who wants to expand benefits, we also need to get serious about targeting benefit fraud. More Dems need to be outspoken against the fraud in Minnesota, that's money that could have legitimately go to people in need.

Do I hold TCM in high regard? I think the answer to anyone who reads my posts is obvious. But do I think he has some legitimate critiques about the Dem Party? Yes. And we need to be taking the (serious) critiques seriously.
 

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Im not fan of TCM, but your perspectives overlap more than you might think. When he talks about people not believing that Dems might actually tax billionaires to make the lives of ordinary people better, that rhymes with something you might say.

Nah, we have a huge fundamental disagreement. His way of thinking is very libertarian; he believes Democratic‑leaning states tax too much, and he wants lower taxes and less government involvement. I’m arguing for higher taxes on the wealthy and more government involvement. He even moved away from Massachusetts because, in his words, “my tax dollars are being spent on the poor.” i compare it to Tucker Carlson with Israel, we may come to the same logical conclusion but his is rooted in bigotry and antisemitism
Dems clearly have a credibility problem with the general public, which goes in to how an obvious con man could beat us in twice.

They do but it has nothing to do with taxing the rich or whatever libertarian babble he's going on about with blue states.
And if Dems want to be taken seriously as the party who wants to expand benefits, we also need to get serious about targeting benefit fraud. More Dems need to be outspoken against the fraud in Minnesota, that's money that could have legitimately go to people in need.
Yeah, this is right‑wing framing at work. Since when have Democrats been “bad” or not outspoken against fraud? If anything, you could argue that Republicans aren’t particularly outspoken about fraud either; there have been major Medicare fraud cases in states like Kentucky and Florida. And the Trump Justice Department using fraud cases as PR doesn’t suddenly make fraud a “Democrat‑only” issue..






Just a few the difference is democrats don't market this like partisan hacks
 
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