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jmegamar

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Allstars finding excuses to lock arms with Fuentes in 26 is gonna be crazier than the BS they pulled the last two years
Between Fuentes and Vance calling for no apologies for being white I think they lose moderates/independents big time next year. On top of all the economic struggles that are coming.
 

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I don't think the electorate really understands how extreme a lot of the most influential figures in the Conservative movement are. These people want to end no fault divorce, reverse Griswold V Connecticut (protecting a married couple's right to use contraception in the privacy of their own home), ban porn completely, etc. This is not an agenda that is palatable to the American public.

The difference between the right and the left is that we don't actually have any lunatics in public office (at least not that I can think of). If you think Bernie and AOC are extreme, you probably haven't looked at the number of Americans that actually agree with their policy proposals. Our lunatics posts online and on social media. Mike Lee, US Senator from Utah, is pushing a bill to ban porn this year.

If you don't think the judiciary would save us then (if the filibuster is eliminated), there is no reason to think it will save us now. There are still constitutional amendments in place that protect the rights of minorities even if laws are passed to contradict those rights. The Republicans in the Senate could eliminate the filibuster today if they wanted, and there's not a thing any of us could do about it.

Again, it needs to be reinforced over and over again that the filibuster is a senate fiction. They don't have to abide by any of the rules of the Parliamentarian, the parliamentarian works for them. We are not the ones being protected by the filibuster, politicians are the ones who love the filibuster (both Repubs and Dems) because it saves them from having to take unpopular votes. So, for instances, if you don't actually want the minimum wage needs to be raised but you're a Democrat, you can vote for the wage increase (while still maintaining your populist bona fides) knowing it will never actually pass.

I understand the fears of eliminating the filibuster during Trump's Presidency, those fears are reasonable, but if you support ending the filibuster, the threat of an extremist Republican administration will always be around. The same reason why one might support not doing it now would support never doing it at all.
A major problem with the American electorate is we advocate for what the elected officials want above our own interests. It’s why I maintain that we all vote against what we want, it’s not just a poor white people thing.

There is no reason to have a filibuster, other than for elected leaders to protect themselves Or stop materially good policies.
 
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A lot of (if not most) the polling said that the biggest concern voters had in the 2024 election cycle was higher prices/affordability. In 2016, Trump also spoke effectively against trade deals, de-industrialization, and corruption in Washington. He promised to bring back manufacturing jobs, claimed that immigration was also an economic issue because immigrants were taking American jobs, and said he would stop China from ripping of the US.

Now, saying he was obviously a fraud and it was stupid of them to believe him is one thing. But just saying that they voted for Trump does not prove your point.
Voting for Trump does my point because it proves that swing voters can be tricked into voting for the most putrid type of Republican
 

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A major problem with the American electorate is we advocate for what the elected officials want above our own interests. It’s why I maintain that we all vote against what we want, it’s not just a poor white people thing.

There is no reason to have a filibuster, other than for elected leaders to protect themselves Or stop materially good policies.
Smart dumb babble. Not everyone’s top motivating interest is more government handouts. Some people’s number one voting interest is preservation of civil rights.
 

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There is no reason to have a filibuster, other than for elected leaders to protect themselves Or stop materially good policies.
The filibuster is a mirage of a problem.

The problem is that party loyalty has become the litmus for electability. If a GOP candidate wants to vote for Medicare for all he/she can’t even get elected cause they are pro-choice in the wrong state.

60 votes either way shouldn’t be that hard to accomplish in a room of 100 people. But now we have Senators and Congresmen that are torpedoing their own parties just to please donors.
 

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Between Fuentes and Vance calling for no apologies for being white I think they lose moderates/independents big time next year. On top of all the economic struggles that are coming.

Why would that cause him to lose support? That kind of rhetoric is why Trump came to power in the first place.

In the current social environment this probably just helps Vance.
 
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