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, while also assuming those same voters are too clueless to know who she is or what she stands for, even though she's been a representative in the same state.
We had the convo here and the only thing that came up was her support for Texas farmers—which is ironically probably why she killed in the bastion of racism in rural east Texas.

And yes, I will and can say this because of you these people why vote Crockett,
It will be because she is a fighter and not "because she did this" or "believes in this."

You can't not have any policy solutions on your campaign website and expect people to just know it. That’s not serious and disrespectful.
 

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The hypocrisy is stunning.
Not to me, not anymore atleast.

The narrative around this primary just reeks of the kind of contempt I've been noticing from some segments of the Democratic party (voters, insiders, strategists). The double standards and selective complaining about "IDPOL" while people defend the folksy Nazi-friendly guy in Maine playing white identity politics is too hard to ignore.
Yep

If you don't understand why some of her supporters are angry, then you don't want to. Let people be angry, they'll eventually cool off. And stop with the condescending, surface-level critique of her and her supporters.
I’d argue if you can’t understand it you either aren’t around black women regularly or have some sort of contempt for them. But that might make a few people upset. I didn’t even think she was gonna win but I can atleast understand why the literal million people (the majority of them black) are upset she didn’t. The reflexive condescending degradation of those people is quite revealing in a number of ways.
 

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And comparing Black voters supporting her to the Trump cult is a stretch
No, I will compare them to that. It's not a stretch at all for me to say the online black people that are crashing out over Crockett are cult of personality followers because they don't have a strong case to vote for her other than they like what she said.
 

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We had the convo here and the only thing that came up was her support for Texas farmers—which is ironically probably why she killed in the bastion of racism in rural east Texas.

And yes, I will and can say this because of you these people why vote Crockett,
It will be because she is a fighter and not "because she did this" or "believes in this."

You can't not have any policy solutions on your campaign website and expect people to just know it. That’s not serious and disrespectful.
You can say it all you want, that won't make it right. It won't stop being based on your own contempt for Black voters who don't fit your preferred mold. Like, it's crazy to me how you don't see the gap in your *own* logic. If they support her because she is a "fighter," it has to be a fighter for something. You automatically assume her voters are supporting her for no reason outside of a "cult of personality," because you've already convinced yourself that she is someone who lacks substance, so you're going to build your entire profile around that, even though it's full of contradictions.

You also claimed she disrespected her supporters by not having a website up earlier, at the same time as you dismissed those voters as clueless, even though she has a deep history with those people in her state, just so you can make your "cult of personality" "critique" work. Do you not see anything wrong with this?

No, I will compare them to that. It's not a stretch at all for me to say the online black people that are crashing out over Crockett are cult of personality followers because they don't have a strong case to vote for her other than they like what she said.
It definitely is a stretch because everything you believe about her and her voters is based on an assumption. I doubt you ever compared Bernie Sanders dead-enders to Trump supporters.
 

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You can say it all you want, that won't make it right. It won't stop being based on your own contempt for Black voters who don't fit your preferred mold. Like, it's crazy to me how you don't see the gap in your *own* logic. If they support her because she is a "fighter," it has to be a fighter for something. You automatically assume her voters are supporting her for no reason outside of a "cult of personality," because you've already convinced yourself that she is someone who lacks substance, so you're going to build your entire profile around that, even though it's full of contradictions
What was Crockett fighting for? Hillary Clinton said she was a fighter too. No one could say except for fighting to kill Gadafi.

And no, I don’t give a fukk about a mold of black voter. My criticism is supporting cult of personality types regardless.

It’s also fascinating in this discussion, you haven’t told me what Crockett was fighting for in her time in congress.

And I said she lacks substance because I’ve actually checked her issues and what she voted for in congress. There is no there, there.
It definitely is a stretch because everything you believe about her and her voters is based on an assumption. I doubt you ever compared Bernie Sanders dead-enders to Trump supporters.
No, I'm basing it these people's crash outs over what they are saying.

And with my critique of Crockett, in basing it on her record and her voting record.

She had a chance to win this race and the seat if she ran a better campaign. She didn't.
 

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What was Crockett fighting for? Hillary Clinton said she was a fighter too. No one could say except for fighting to kill Gadafi.

And no, I don’t give a fukk about a mold of black voter. My criticism is supporting cult of personality types regardless.

It’s also fascinating in this discussion, you haven’t told me what Crockett was fighting for in her time in congress.

And I said she lacks substance because I’ve actually checked her issues and what she voted for in congress. There is no there, there.
No, I'm basing it these people's crash outs over what they are saying.

And with my critique of Crockett, in basing it on her record and her voting record.

She had a chance to win this race and the seat if she ran a better campaign. She didn't.
Your entire "argument" can be summed up as this: "Nothing she did counts as substance to me." You created a claim that can't be falsified, so any evidence I present can be dismissed because you've already declared it meaningless. Do you think I'm stupid? I'm might not have your education, but I am not an idiot.

People being angry after a contentious election is normal to politics. I'll just quote what I said elsewhere.

You've been around long enough to know this isn't true. People are often emotional after their preferred candidate loses, especially when the narratives surrounding your preferred candidate are overly negative. It's always been like this. It was like that when Hillary lost. It was like that when Bernie Sanders lost. It was like that for many candidates who fostered a strong support base. It will be like that for the next one and the next one after that, too. Supporters of losing candidates almost always go through a period of anger, frustration, and trying to explain what happened. This is really no different. They all still show up to vote at the end of the day. If there is a concern that they won't, then the winning candidate needs to work their ass off to turn out the vote.

What's strange, at least to me, is that when other groups react emotionally after a loss, it's treated as understandable political frustration. But when some Black women do it, suddenly we have to pathologize them. It sounds like the expectation is that these women should react like cold, detached analysts instead of human supporters who just watched their candidate lose a contentious race. That's a standard I've never seen being applied to anyone else in politics. And that's what's getting to me.

Disagreeing with someone's interpretation of the race is one thing, but all this other stuff is something else.
 

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Your entire "argument" can be summed up as this: "Nothing she did counts as substance to me." You created a claim that can't be falsified, so any evidence I present can be dismissed because you've already declared it meaningless. Do you think I'm stupid? I'm might not have your education, but I am not an idiot.

People being angry after a contentious election is normal to politics. I'll just quote what I said elsewhere.
What cracks me up about your posts painting me as emotional, is you haven’t shown what Crockett was fighting for. Her policy positions. You haven’t shown where she stands on anything. Any wins she’s had. Any bill she authored and got others to sign on to. Nothing.

All of your posts about Crockett have been driven on nothing but emotion, which you are now projecting on to me.

I said this in September:

I don’t care that she been in office for what’s now her second term. We are supposed to elect people to do things for their constituency. She is on social media and joning on other congress members. A big problem with this country is we elect people with no expectations that they will do anything or believe in anything.

“Economy, Jobs, Housing
Texas’ 30th Congressional District is an economic hub, and home to the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas."

That's on her congressional page for issues. The first thing she wants you to see.


From what we’ve seen of Jasmine Crockett during her two terms, she just tryna go viral.
That’s the fighter. Her economic page said that’s

This is what I said when she announced:
I get what you are saying, but the way you wrote this is very right-wing.

The Dems catered to identity politics too much, and it has led to someone like Crockett, who is a vibes candidate, believing she should be senator of Texas with not a lot on her platform.

A black woman can win any elected office, but they a)got to have an actual platform they believe in ---real talk, Crockett would make some headway if she even offered maternal leave as a platform, but she hasn't because she don't care enough about it to plant down that flag b)need a great slogan like any campaign c)have charisma d) is inspirational.

Crockett has charisma, but that's it. Its not just identity candidates, as we seen with Zohran, Dem establishment seem deadset against anyone proposing any policy solutions.

Crockett is just a bad candidate, not because she is a black woman, but because she is going to run on the platform of "I am a black woman that Trump hates."

It's not sustainable and won't get out of the primaries, imo.
 
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What cracks me up about your posts painting me as emotional, is you haven’t shown what Crockett was fighting for. Her policy positions. You haven’t shown where she stands on anything. Any wins she’s had. Any bill she authored and got others to sign on to. Nothing.

All of your posts about Crockett have been driven on nothing but emotion, which you are now projecting on to me.

I said this in September:


That’s the fighter. Her economic page said that’s

This is what I said when she announced:
It's good that you quoted your post from September. It drives home the point I was making about your claiming to have looked up what she supported, voted for, or sponsored.

She did what a Federal Representative should do for her constituents. She fought to get federal funds earmarked for her district.


One of the issues people are celebrating Talarico for acknowledging, and attacking her for supposedly ignoring -- The Sand Branch Water Crisis -- is something she was working on since taking office in 2023:


After taking office in January 2023, U.S. Rep. Jasmine Crockett, whose district includes Sand Branch, partnered with Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins to renew efforts addressing the water crisis. Meetings with county officials and community members in April and May 2023 explored extending water and sewer infrastructure, potential funding sources, and coordinated planning, as reported by NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth.

Local advocates, including the Water for Sand Branch Coalition, have proposed connecting the community to Dallas utilities. Dallas Weekly reported an estimated total project cost of $12.5 million, with $8 million for water and sewer infrastructure and $4.5 million for community protections such as bill assistance and property tax safeguards.

Crockett’s office has also helped secure broader federal funding, reporting over $10.4 million for community projects in fiscal year 2024, including wastewater improvements in nearby municipalities, with additional funds in fiscal year 2025 appropriations addressing water, environmental, and public health infrastructure needs.


What exactly is your standard for "substance" for a two-term member of Congress? Because if the vote she cast, the legislation she introduced, the bills she co-sponsored, and the federal funding she secured for her constituents in her district doesn't count, then specifically would count?
 
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