4 days later, Nessa (Kaeps girlfriend) is still going in on jay-z

[Champ_KW]

She is not helping



They can reach out and ask what’s jay plan is if they can work together

All this lashing out with vitriol is not healthy


It should not be Kap vs jay

It should be let’s come together and figure this out

That's kinda the genesis of their displeasure. Just switch the names. "Jay could've reached out and asked what Kaep plan is and see if they can work together. It should be lets come together and figure this out."

Nobody has to kiss Jays ass on this. He had a press conference where he could've gave an outline of his plan. Instead he used the presser to take bullets for Goodell who just sat there and watched his puppet go to work.

 

[Marzupial]

We def live in weird times.

I remember when you had to man up and speak for yourself to be considered a G.

At this point, seem like everybody (ebro, nessa, etc) was pimping kaep, and now they mad they cant do it to Jay.

Well most of y'all never understood how real bosses move

They let they minions do the talk for them

Actions speak louder than words, ness Ebro and them are just talkers

 

[Champ_KW]

When you settle a lawsuit it's usually filled with clauses like not being able to talk about the settlement and the most important for this topic, not being able to go back to the position that allowed you to create the lawsuit in the first place. If you think that the NFL would shell out money for denying him work then turn around and give him a job somewhere so he could file another lawsuit for another issue then you're being naive. It was shut up and go away money. He knew it and his lawyer knew it and they took it.

If that's not selling out then what is? Kaepernick sold out way before Jay if we're playing this game.

Huh? What kinda mental gymnastics are you doing? The only thing I rock with Jay on is that this was never about Colin getting/losing a job. The only reason its a thing is because the NFL made it one. Who knew a silent protest, off by yourself by the bench, before the game during the National Anthem, would cause him to be blackballed out of the league? He sued and got what was owed to him. How in the hell is that selling out when he's the one that lost his livelihood for this all because the NFL, who does military and breast cancer awareness campaigns, decided police killing black men wasn't worthy to address? Who could foresee the NFL letting their plantation colors shine thru on this matter? You need to learn the difference between cause and effect. Colin never made this about him. The NFL did. Without spitting fairytales about what you envision Jay's "chess move" being, tell me what does having a say in, not even full autonomous control, over the halftime show at the Super Bowl provide to the cause Colin kneeled for? Outside of Roc Nation getting this contract from the NFL, there is none. And you know it.

 

[L&HH]

They denied him work. He’s supposed to get his money from them.

Jay on the other hand sacrificed nothing to be in this position. And he wouldn’t be in it if Kaep wasn’t in his position.

So because Kaepernick is blackballed should no one black ever do a deal with the NFL ever again?

 

[strbuysrv]

If you dont understand the difference between a boss who sends the word out and a simp who's girl gets him into shyt... you watch too much movies.

Imagine if jay sent they bey hive out lol. That's the difference between a boss and a simp.

 

[Marzupial]

If you dont understand the difference between a boss who sends the word out and a simp who's girl gets him into shyt... you watch too much movies.

Imagine if jay sent they bey hive out lol. That's the difference between a boss and a simp.

Jay don't send bey cause she prolly wouldn't do it and he got male minions cause he's obviously on another level

So the only difference is kaep got a rider and jay don't

 

[OG Talk]

The thing I really like about your use of Rosa:

Rosa Parks is a face of the civil rights movement. How many speeches do you remember from Rosa Parks? Do you think people refused to act until Rosa got justice, or demanded that she be consulted for every step of the fight? Rosa did her part and let other leaders continue a movement and she's revered for it.

Eric Reid refuses to accept a movement without him and Kap as leaders. Imagine Rosa parks telling Dr King to fall back for trying to co-opt her movement.

None of this excuses or explains fighting for social justice with the same entity that is actively black balling a man for, fighting for social justice.


Nobody is questioning Jay-Z for his numerous other social justice contributions. Nobody is saying he can’t cooperate with corporations to assist with “the movement”..This criticism is specifically about the NFL.

If Dr. King went into business with the Montgomery Bus Company I’m SURE he would have been questioned and criticized.

But you’re right. The criticism shouldn’t be about getting Kaep’s permission or “blessing”. That’s silly imo

 

[FS4LFE]

They denied him work. He’s supposed to get his money from them.

Jay on the other hand sacrificed nothing to be in this position. And he wouldn’t be in it if Kaep wasn’t in his position.

Who said Jay sacrificed anything? And why some of y’all act like Jay hasn’t been doing things for the black community for years? Kaep ain’t his daddy.

 

[Treason]

Maybe Kaep is using her as a outlet to express how he truly feels because of the NDA he signed
or maybe shes just voicing her opinion aint nothing wrong with that . especially since shes front line.

from the looks of it it just seems like they wanted to be included in the talks or felt they shouldve gotten a heads up

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

That's the issue that people try to dance around. He isn't/wasn't doing anything. Everyone else has been doing the talking for him. When was the last time you got a direct quote from him on the whole situation or what his actual goal or plan is?

NFL is a private business and he's in direct conflict with them. Why would they employ him? They gave him go away money and he took it. Either both sold out or neither sold out.

I'm asking how is he anymore present or away, now, then he was before they paid him? How did he change?

 

[Sterling Archer]

When did I say that He could not or should no have ownership in a team?

thats completely seperate from him behind the scenes urging people not to perform or work with them on their half time show production to now taking that job.

Either he cares about pushing the NFL to be active in the social justice forum in which case, he SHOULD be in that position. Or he doesnt care at all about the social justice part from the NFL with it being a throw in, in which case, its purely a financial move and given Jay's history, why act incensed?

As far as the entertainment part last year, things are different. Kaep had his suit against the league and I can fully understand (if this was in fact the reason why) Jay Z would tell other performers that they should not perform for the NFL when they will get all this money for having black performers while not paying Kaep for collusion involved with black issues...

But then this year the NFL did pay him. Kaepernick made the decision that the money he received was appropriate. So appropriate that he was willing to sign an NDA on top of it. He was owed that money, so its fine that he got it. But accepting it means he felt it was appropriate for the issue he had with the NFL. Effectively bringing it back to business as usual. And because Kaep made his money off the NFL this year and its back to business as usual, it makes sense that Jay feels like he can. Lets be clear, Jay nor anyone else makes money from performing with the NFL. He stood to make no money last year off of the NFL. This year, with this deal, he stands to make millions. Thats why 2018 is called 2018 and not 2019. The outcome changed for him this year in a way that it didnt last year.

For whatever thats worth, thats why its different now.

 

[CashmereThoughts]

Who said Jay sacrificed anything? And why some of y’all act like Jay hasn’t been doing things for the black community for years? Kaep ain’t his daddy.

My point is the opportunity to help the NFL sweep their race problem under the rug only exists because of what they did to Kaep. He forced the need for this

 

[DPresidential]

Kaepernick took the money,so why should Jay not take the money for Kaepernick?

You can't say Jay sold out without saying Kaepernick sold out first.

I would love mature dialogue on this.

I am on the fence and I think it's somewhat unfairly polarizing how people seem SURE that Jay is malevolent here.

 

[richaveli83]

Kaepernick took the money,so why should Jay not take the money for Kaepernick?

You can't say Jay sold out without saying Kaepernick sold out first.

He didn't sell out. The NFL was conspiring against him and denying him his livelihood. If he said he would stop kneeling and keep quiet about his beliefs to get a position on a team then that would be selling out.

 

[DPresidential]

Dealing with the NFL? No get your bread.

Dealing with the NFL for “social justice initiatives”?

Cmon now.

The best example I heard was. What if Hank Aaron started doing commercials for the Montgomery Bus Company promoting social justice while they were still forcing Rosa to sit in the back of their buses?

And they had the press conference to announce the deal on the 3 year anniversary of Rosa’s protest.

I actually like this analogy.

But wouldn't it be more accurate to say Hank Aaron doing a deal with the Montgomery Bus Company AFTER a successful boycott?

And if Hank Aaron was willing to state that his influence can be expected to keep the conversation going?