50 Killed by White Supremacist Mass Shooting at Christchurch Mosque in New Zealand

[thatrapsfan]

I am going by the students twitter.

Omar said "It's all about the Benjamin's" in reference to Israel never being criticised without AIPAC calling out the person as anti-semetic. Chelsea Clinton was quite vocal in calling out Omar for what was simply valid criticism.
The students twitter said that was her beef. For you to suggest otherwise is to pretend you know what is going through her mind instead of taking her at her word. Sounds like you may be the one looking for a Clinton controversy when it's not there.
Also because she funds the centre she is free from criticism?
She couldn't have been wrong about the way she called out Omar? Regarding tokenisation, Donald Trump Jr. defended Chelsea Clinton, and no one said he speaks for liberals, just as no one in this thread is implying the student speaking for all Muslims.
Indeed, I was giving my opinion as I saw the hypocrisy as well.
Don't worry about trying to read into my statements either, I was one of the few Pro-Hillary people on this board.

I said in my post that I think she was wrong about Omar. My argument definitely isn’t that she shouldn’t have faced criticism for her tweet - she did and that was fine. But the context now is about her visit to the vigil.

My argument is that it’s wildly hyperbolic to claim that incident is anyway connected to the anti Muslim incitement on the right that helped inspire the attack. I also think it’s crazy to argue that Clintons presence at a vigil is some sort of provocation, as though Trump showed up there. She doesn’t have any history of inciting fear about Muslims or their religion and in fact pretty loudly has done the opposite - that’s why it’s relevant to note her contributions to the centre of things like this:


I don’t think I’m ascribing anything to the girls views or her supporters that they aren’t saying themselves. Scores of them are claiming that it’s self evident that she’s an Islamophobe. The reality is Chelsea Clinton is a very milquetoast middle of the road liberal, with almost no inflammatory views. People are free to argue that her political preferences and the centrists in general may not be the best solution, but there is a whole lot of irrational hate that is not supported by her record of public engagement.

As for Trump Jr I think it’s clear he and others on the right see this is a perfect opportunity to exacberate what are pretty huge divisions and loathing within the Dem base that will bode will for them in the 2020 election. Their support is obviously not in good faith.

 

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[jj23]

I said in my post that I think she was wrong about Omar. My argument definitely isn’t that she shouldn’t have faced criticism for her tweet - she did and that was fine. But the context now is about her visit to the vigil.

My argument is that it’s wildly hyperbolic to claim that incident is anyway connected to the anti Muslim incitement on the right that helped inspire the attack. I also think it’s crazy to argue that Clintons presence at a vigil is some sort of provocation, as though Trump showed up there. She doesn’t have any history of inciting fear about Muslims or their religion and in fact pretty loudly has done the opposite - that’s why it’s relevant to note her contributions to the centre of things like this:


I don’t think I’m ascribing anything to the girls views or her supporters that they aren’t saying themselves. Scores of them are claiming that it’s self evident that she’s an Islamophobe. The reality is Chelsea Clinton is a very milquetoast middle of the road liberal, with almost no inflammatory views. People are free to argue that her political preferences and the centrists in general may not be the best solution, but there is a whole lot of irrational hate that is not supported by her record of public engagement.

As for Trump Jr I think it’s clear he and others on the right see this is a perfect opportunity to exacberate what are pretty huge divisions and loathing within the Dem base that will bode will for them in the 2020 election. Their support is obviously not in good faith.

Point taken and understood. I think what I was trying to say is that we sometimes miss the small things that contribute to the eventual shattering of the glass. Muslims, like black people are portrayed as evil and do not get the benefit of the doubt. The condemnation of Omar by Clinton contributed to that and we need to address the atmosphere where Israel is seen as immune to criticism as none of us are infallible. Was the rebuke to Clinton OTT?

Yes, but grief brings on anger. That this is over politicised is sad, but I think the student raised valid points.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I'm not going to draw this out because we're all on the same side here and you bring key insight. I'm just going to ask you to think about it this way....

I said in my post that I think she was wrong about Omar.

If you understand she was wrong about Omar's stance, then you're admitting that she stood with those who were singularly motivated by Islamophobia.

Bigots hide behind people who play grown-up. "Milquetoast middle of the road liberal, with almost no inflammatory views" is the perfect human shield for bigotry.

This is why moderation doesn't work and those that fight for justice DON'T CONSIDER THEMSELVES MODERATES.

There is a difference between not being racist and being an anti-racist. If she doesn't hold any inflammatory views how can you say she's fighting for justice? Do bigots not take offense when they're physically and legally confronted?

 

[tru_m.a.c]

 

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The Hill
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White House counselor Kellyanne Conway said that the suspected gunman behind the deadly New Zealand mosque shootings was “wrong” to call President Trump a symbol of “white identity.”


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Conway: New Zealand attack suspect 'wrong' to call Trump a symbol of white nationalism
“He’s wrong. The shooter is an evil, hateful person. He’s wrong about that,” Conway told reporters at the White House.

 

[hashmander]

The Hill
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White House counselor Kellyanne Conway said that the suspected gunman behind the deadly New Zealand mosque shootings was “wrong” to call President Trump a symbol of “white identity.”


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Conway: New Zealand attack suspect 'wrong' to call Trump a symbol of white nationalism
“He’s wrong. The shooter is an evil, hateful person. He’s wrong about that,” Conway told reporters at the White House.

 

[You Win Perfect]

When GamerGate came out I sort of ignored it and sort of laughed at it. It was like, "damn, those little nerds in their parents' basements really got some issues." Now it's totally insane how much stuff I've seen that keeps getting connected back to it, Had no idea they could wield that sort of power.

anytime white people use the word troll they are trying to stay covert. white people can troll about committing crimes without law enforcement batting an eye. i automatically look at anybody on this board sideways using the term 'troll' in a dismissive manner to describe any suspected white supremacist

 

[tru_m.a.c]

 

[thatrapsfan]

I'm not going to draw this out because we're all on the same side here and you bring key insight. I'm just going to ask you to think about it this way....

If you understand she was wrong about Omar's stance, then you're admitting that she stood with those who were singularly motivated by Islamophobia.

Bigots hide behind people who play grown-up. "Milquetoast middle of the road liberal, with almost no inflammatory views" is the perfect human shield for bigotry.

This is why moderation doesn't work and those that fight for justice DON'T CONSIDER THEMSELVES MODERATES.

There is a difference between not being racist and being an anti-racist. If she doesn't hold any inflammatory views how can you say she's fighting for justice? Do bigots not take offense when they're physically and legally confronted?

I agree she was totally wrong about her Omar tweet. I’m also not making arguing her political views/style are the most effective at confronting the far right. But I think she has an established record of promoting pluralism and has a public record which shows she’s committed to supporting Muslims freedom to practice their religion. There are many, many public figures opposed to those basic principles and who’ve actively spread fear/bigotry towards Muslims and I don’t think it’s fair to argue she’s one of then.

I have no problem with people arguing centrists/moderates aren’t politically effective or assertive enough, but I don’t think publicly confronting Clinton and claiming she’s contributing to rhetoric that fueled the NZ attacks does anything for that goal either.

 

[afterlife2009]

the spin from the "We'd be at brunch if Clinton was elected" crowd is interesting

they're identity politics over everything but they are bushing a POC woman for a wealthy white women who's famous because she's apart of a dynastic political family . They couldn't call her a bro so I noticed the language they used to describe the girl was interesting - a lot of non gender specific terms

If I didn't know any better I would've assumed she was assaulted by the way they're talking about it - chelsea was criticized for about 30 seconds. A bunch of blue check conservatives defending her, too

I don't agree with the "she's the sole reason" but I generally agree with the NYU chick - her first tweet about the Omar situation was this. She saw it on her TL because of a retweet from a Ronald Reagan account she follows

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I agree she was totally wrong about her Omar tweet. I’m also not making arguing her political views/style are the most effective at confronting the far right. But I think she has an established record of promoting pluralism and has a public record which shows she’s committed to supporting Muslims freedom to practice their religion. There are many, many public figures opposed to those basic principles and who’ve actively spread fear/bigotry towards Muslims and I don’t think it’s fair to argue she’s one of then.

I have no problem with people arguing centrists/moderates aren’t politically effective or assertive enough, but I don’t think publicly confronting Clinton and claiming she’s contributing to rhetoric that fueled the NZ attacks does anything for that goal either.

Yuuup..def feel you on that

I ran across the girl's twitter who is in that video. She said she didn't realize she was being recorded. Someone did it without her consent. But she did say that mad people at the event were uncomfortable having Chelsea there. I can see where they're coming from. I didn't lose someone in the attack, but I definitely wouldn't have wanted to see her there after the Omar shyt.

 

[FAH1223]

 

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Al Jazeera English
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Anti-Muslim attacks have steadily increased in the past few years worldwide.


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A summary of attacks on Muslims in Western countries

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Nice. He should egg him again.

He should knock his fukkin lights out. Should have showed up with a few of his buddies, looked like it was pretty easy to get the drop on his pasty ass