71% of 17-24 years olds are ineligible to join U.S. Military

[RageKage]

Which is funny. If the US actually critically studied communism in Asia, it was really anti colonialist nationalist movements which espoused communism to mobilize the peasantry and offer incentives like land reform.

Did you ever watch Ken Burn's documentary on the Vietnam War? I have watched it several times. Ho Chi Minh was a brilliant, driven man, such a tragic missed opportunity. He thought the US would support Vietnam's drive for independence given our history, we held our nose and supported an imperial power (france) and should have not stood in the way of Vietnamese independence. Have to look at in the the historical context, support a communist independence movement in asia against a needed ally in europe?

Ho Chi Minh: The Early Years | The Vietnam War | PBS LearningMedia

Learn about the life of Ho Chí Minh, Prime Minister and President (1945–69) of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam), and how he became a communist and founded the Viet Minh, a national independence coalition.

www.pbslearningmedia.org

 

[OperationNumbNutts]

This isn't a new issues. This Ted Talk was made in 2012 and there are others. People are going blame young people but not the system their growing up in that older people refuse to address for whatever reason.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Did you ever watch Ken Burn's documentary on the Vietnam War? I have watched it several times. Ho Chi Minh was a brilliant, driven man, such a tragic missed opportunity. He thought the US would support Vietnam's drive for independence given our history, we held our nose and supported an imperial power (france) and should have not stood in the way of Vietnamese independence. Have to look at in the the historical context, support a communist independence movement in asia against a needed ally in europe?

Ho Chi Minh: The Early Years | The Vietnam War | PBS LearningMedia

Learn about the life of Ho Chí Minh, Prime Minister and President (1945–69) of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam), and how he became a communist and founded the Viet Minh, a national independence coalition.

www.pbslearningmedia.org

Good documentary. Glad you brought it up.

 

[Son Goku]

@Dave24 things are looking real good for you. waivers are guaranteed.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

the fact that the Chinese had the UN forces surrounded on mountainous terrain with the UN forces not having lines of communication and weren’t able to destroy the US 8th army and took 10:1 casualties was a big fail.

After the US retreated to the 38th parallel and the Chinese tried to attack further they got slaughtered

Chinese spring offensive - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_May–June_1951_counteroffensive

Chinese were fighting with small arms, in tennis shoes in the middle of the winter without comparable cold weather gear or airpower. I’d give them a break. Still had American/UN forces fleeing to evacuation at Hungnam on a scale comparable to Dunkirk!


Chinese went past their supply lines, again without the motorized logistics America/UN forces had. I’d give them a break.

Consider that Douglas McArthur had all of Korea nearly wrapped up by the 3rd quarter of 1950 and they got pushed way the fukk in by a poor country. It was so embarrassing McArthur and George C Marshall wanted to nuke China!


Communist fighters of the mid 20th century had some special combat juju up until the digital Revolution changed warfare. Just more motivated than capitalists

 

[Mister Terrific]

Chinese were fighting with small arms, in tennis shoes in the middle of the winter without comparable cold weather gear or airpower. I’d give them a break. Still had American/UN forces fleeing to evacuation at Hungnam on a scale comparable to Dunkirk!


Chinese went past their supply lines, again without the motorized logistics America/UN forces had. I’d give them a break.

Consider that Douglas McArthur had all of Korea nearly wrapped up by the 3rd quarter of 1950 and they got pushed way the fukk in by a poor country. It was so embarrassing McArthur and George C Marshall wanted to nuke China!


Communist fighters of the mid 20th century had some special combat juju up until the digital Revolution changed warfare. Just more motivated than capitalists

This wasn’t the US military that fought the Nazis or the Japanese either. Congress had slashed military funding almost competent and most thought nuclear weapons would solve any issues. The majority of soldiers sans the marines were peacetime occupation troops in Japan who barely fired their weapon outside of basic training, where as a good portion of Chinese and North Korean troops were veterans who fought the Japanese in Manchuria.

The Chinese tactics of night fighting and encircling divisions and launching all out assaults targeting rear command centers worked well in the mountains of North Korea where allied communication was separated and it was too cloudy for air cover but once the fighting moved south it was a slaughter no different than most of the colonial wars


In fact the Chinese tried them same tactics in Vietnam and got slaughtered there too

Sino-Vietnamese War - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

As for motivation, the reason the Korean War lasted 3 years even though both sides were at a stalemate was because thousands of Chinese and North Korean pows in US captivity wanted to defect to the UN forces and China didn’t want to lose face.

Return to China or "Return to Taiwan": The Chinese POWs Who Derailed the Korean War Peace Talks

David Cheng Chang, postdoctoral fellow at the Center for East Asian Studies at Stanford University will give a presentation based on his recent work entitled Return to China or “Return to Taiwan”: The Chinese POWs Who Derailed the Korean War Peace Talks.

www.wilsoncenter.org

 

[the elastic]

This wasn’t the US military that fought the Nazis or the Japanese either. Congress had slashed military funding almost competent and most thought nuclear weapons would solve any issues. The majority of soldiers sans the marines were peacetime occupation troops in Japan who barely fired their weapon outside of basic training, where as a good portion of Chinese and North Korean troops were veterans who fought the Japanese in Manchuria.

The Chinese tactics of night fighting and encircling divisions and launching all out assaults targeting rear command centers worked well in the mountains of North Korea where allied communication was separated and it was too cloudy for air cover but once the fighting moved south it was a slaughter no different than most of the colonial wars


In fact the Chinese tried them same tactics in Vietnam and got slaughtered there too

Sino-Vietnamese War - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

As for motivation, the reason the Korean War lasted 3 years even though both sides were at a stalemate was because thousands of Chinese and North Korean pows in US captivity wanted to defect to the UN forces and China didn’t want to lose face.

Return to China or "Return to Taiwan": The Chinese POWs Who Derailed the Korean War Peace Talks

David Cheng Chang, postdoctoral fellow at the Center for East Asian Studies at Stanford University will give a presentation based on his recent work entitled Return to China or “Return to Taiwan”: The Chinese POWs Who Derailed the Korean War Peace Talks.

www.wilsoncenter.org

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

This wasn’t the US military that fought the Nazis or the Japanese either. Congress had slashed military funding almost competent and most thought nuclear weapons would solve any issues. The majority of soldiers sans the marines were peacetime occupation troops in Japan who barely fired their weapon outside of basic training, where as a good portion of Chinese and North Korean troops were veterans who fought the Japanese in Manchuria.

The Chinese tactics of night fighting and encircling divisions and launching all out assaults targeting rear command centers worked well in the mountains of North Korea where allied communication was separated and it was too cloudy for air cover but once the fighting moved south it was a slaughter no different than most of the colonial wars


In fact the Chinese tried them same tactics in Vietnam and got slaughtered there too

Sino-Vietnamese War - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

As for motivation, the reason the Korean War lasted 3 years even though both sides were at a stalemate was because thousands of Chinese and North Korean pows in US captivity wanted to defect to the UN forces and China didn’t want to lose face.

Return to China or "Return to Taiwan": The Chinese POWs Who Derailed the Korean War Peace Talks

David Cheng Chang, postdoctoral fellow at the Center for East Asian Studies at Stanford University will give a presentation based on his recent work entitled Return to China or “Return to Taiwan”: The Chinese POWs Who Derailed the Korean War Peace Talks.

www.wilsoncenter.org

After Inchon, I don’t think the US was relying on majority occupation forces to fight China/North Korea. They’d move troops from the Lower 48/Europe by then, no?

Chinese tactics were brilliant given the odds and strategically, it scared America from ever invading North Vietnam lest they repeat the Korean saga. It made America respect China far more had they just let American forces be on their borders.

The level of commitment/effort communist troops put up in Asia against capitalist forces led to them having more motivated soldiers than the ROK or South Vietnamese. Sure, American firepower was demoralizing but they sure didn’t want to fight for Rhee or whatever dictator was ruling South Vietnam any given year

 

[3rdWorld]

Being a Fatherless nation is a national security threat in itself.

 

[MaxPain]

Too many fatbois.

 

[Mister Terrific]

After Inchon, I don’t think the US was relying on majority occupation forces to fight China/North Korea. They’d move troops from the Lower 48/Europe by then, no?

Chinese tactics were brilliant given the odds and strategically, it scared America from ever invading North Vietnam lest they repeat the Korean saga. It made America respect China far more had they just let American forces be on their borders.

The level of commitment/effort communist troops put up in Asia against capitalist forces led to them having more motivated soldiers than the ROK or South Vietnamese. Sure, American firepower was demoralizing but they sure didn’t want to fight for Rhee or whatever dictator was ruling South Vietnam any given year

The majority of the US best troops were stationed in Germany waiting to fight the Soviets, even then again congress has cut funding after world war 2 and the military industrial complex and communist hysteria hadn’t taken hold of all levels of government. The US was still in an isolationist mindset.

You can look up task force smith which was the occupation troops in Korea. They had no tanks and their bazookas couldn’t penetrate the armor of Soviet T-34’s. The US did not care about Korea really up to this point or really cared about China for that matter. Everything was about protecting Europe

Task Force Smith and the Problem with “Readiness” - Modern War Institute

In the rainy predawn darkness of July 5, 1950, two US Army rifles companies reinforced by six howitzers—about four hundred men in all—dug in on a saddle-shaped hill straddling a highway just north of Osan, South Korea. The hill was an outstanding north-facing defensive position: to this day, a...

mwi.usma.edu

This wasn’t the US military that flooded Europe with thousands of tanks and turned Dunkirk and Hamburg into fire pits, it was a skeleton force. It’s like comparing Romans losing at Tuetonburg forest and saying the Germans defeated Rome when Rome came back and burnt all your villages down the next year

That’s the same thing that happened in Notth Korea. North Korea was turned into a parking lot, the Chinese lost 500,000-1,000,000 soldiers and Mao’s own son got got because he wanted to make some noodles and the American planes saw the smoke

As a result, Mao committed a massive “volunteer” army under Gen. Peng Dehuai to salvage the situation. Chinese troops began staging across the border in North Korea by late October 1950, poised to launch an epic winter assault that would roll back United Nations forces 120 miles from the border with China—at the cost of immense casualties due to the reliance on human wave attacks.

Anying insisted on joining the Volunteer Army, wishing to serve in the infantry. However, Peng did not want to get Mao Zedong’s son killed in action, and appointed Anying as a Russian translator under the nom-de-guerre Secretary Liu, serving at his army’s command post. This post, located in Tongchang County on the northeastern border with China, was located inside a gold mine for protection from air attacks. By that time, U.S. air power was so ubiquitous in the theater that communist troops and supply vehicles could only move safely at night.

However, a twin-engine RF-61C Reporter—a photo-reconnaissance version of the P-61 Black Widow night fighter—spied on the command post on the evening of Nov. 24 for several hours. Aware that their location may have been detected, Peng ordered his staff to remain underground the following day, doing their cooking at night so as to avoid making any visible smoke.

The headquarters staff was supposed to report for duty at 4:00 a.m. that morning. However, Anying slept in. Once he got up at 9:00 a.m., Mao’s son wanted breakfast—and he persuaded two of his friends, staff officers Gao Ruixun and Cheng Pu, to cook egg fried rice on the stove in Peng’s office, which was in a building on the surface. The eggs, a rare delicacy in the war zone, had been sent as a special gift to Peng from the North Koreans.

According to Gen. Yang’s memoir, when he noticed smoke rising from the building, he ran over and warned Anying to put out the fire before it attracted hostile attention. Anying’s party told Yang to get lost and that they would put out the fire as soon as they were done cooking.

At 10:00 a.m., four U.S. Air Force B-26 Invader attack planes pounced on the encampment. Mao’s friend Cheng Pu jumped out the window and fled for the protection of the mine, while the son of the communist leader and his other compatriot hid under a bed or table. However, staying inside the smoking building was not the wisest course of action, especially when targeted by napalm bombs.

Most people are familiar with napalm from its use in the Vietnam War. However, the jellied gasoline was already being dropped by U.S. war planes decades earlier during World War II against German and Japanese targets, and saw extensive use in Korea as well.

One of the bombs scored a direct hit on the office building, setting it ablaze. Yang ran into the conflagration, bumping into Cheng Pu, who had survived the attack. Racing inside, he found Anying’s charred remains, identifiable only by the melted remnants of his Soviet-made watch. His body was buried with other Chinese soldiers in a grave at the PVA Martyr’s Cemetery in North Korea.

Peng avoided reporting the death of Mao’s son for two months before finally sending a telegram in January 1951. When Mao received the news, he apparently spent a day brooding and smoking cigarettes, and some claim he ruminated that his family line “was over.”

No Dynasty for China: How Mao's Son Was Killed in the Korea War

What might have happened if Mao Anying lived to take over Beijing?

nationalinterest.org

The US didn’t fight a full scale war with China because they were afraid of the Chinese, they didn’t fight a full scale war because it would cause World War 3 with the Soviets rolling into France and nukes going off in Moscow.

 

[Son Goku]

But to be fair, sub 8 minute miles are above average.

No they're not, not in the military.

Dudes running a 12 minute mile and a half in the Air Force are officially on that cardio time.

 

[NatiboyB]

Can u prove past generations were healthier, stronger, tougher physically and mentally
Cause I hear that a lot but I don’t think that’s true

The proof is in the assessments and training reports. People with stood more physical stress and mental stress.

I’m also not sure how you don’t think it’s true when literally the training throughput numbers have decreased due to trainability within the general population.

You are comparing youth who were raised outside or raised on farms with youth whom life a pretty non active life style and parents have them on prescription drugs at a young age.

 

[TheAnointedOne]

lol

 

[42 Monks]

they acting like the first top gun didn't revolutionize recruiting lmao