A comment on the election being about racism

[Type Username Here]

A Bigot Billionaire who spewed pure Vitriol won cuz of No Racism

Are some of you dense? I'm saying it wasn't the sole reason. The numbers don't add up. Look at them from an objective standpoint.

If we want to prevent this, we need to understand it. Just chucking it off as white nationalism and racism is a recipe for future doom in my opinion.

 

[Type Username Here]

Has the literacy level on this forum dropped this low?

I'm not even coming close to arguing there was no racism, dog whistling or white nationalist stirring. I'm simply pointing out that it should have not matter from a demographic voting standpoint and you fukkers are glossing over it.

 

[theworldismine13]

Nativism for who?

"We aren't being nice to the police."

For white Americans mostly, I'm not defending it, I'm just saying there is a technical difference between racism and nativism and that is why there are some white people that can vote for Obama and trump without blinking

I'm not even arguing it's an important point, but it's a point

 

[ill]

Has the literacy level on this forum dropped this low?

I'm not even coming close to arguing there was no racism, dog whistling or white nationalist stirring. I'm simply pointing out that it should have not matter from a demographic voting standpoint and you fukkers are glossing over it.

If they're not understanding that the same white people who voted twice for Obama are the direct reason for Trump winning this election, then they don't really care about truth. They just wanna run with the all whites are racist angle.

 

[ogc163]

TUH's argument is not that difficult to understand, it seems like some of you are being extra because you just took that L. So for right now I'll attribute being defensive to that. But if as I somewhat fear based on what I read here and on FB you simply think racism was the reason Trump won, and carry that thinking for a substantial amount of time you will lose again in 4 years. Racism was apart of the equation no doubt, but overrating it's impact and underrating the economic rhetoric impact is a mistake.

Focusing on racism can lead to a sort of hopelessness etched in "we can't reach these people" yes there are people you CANNOT reach, but you CAN afford to say fukk them because they don't represent as large of a group as you currently believe. You can reach a large group of midwestern blue collar middle class voters who voted for Trump by providing an alternative to Trump's protectionism and not just waiting on it to fail.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Has the literacy level on this forum dropped this low?

I'm not even coming close to arguing there was no racism, dog whistling or white nationalist stirring. I'm simply pointing out that it should have not matter from a demographic voting standpoint and you fukkers are glossing over it.

nikkas don't read articles on the the coli they just look at pictures word to Ice-T

 

[Shogun]

I'm sorry, but no. The reason Trump won was 'cism. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.


It's true that racists would be likely to vote Republican anyway, but Trump got racists out that don't usually vote. The reason I can say this is because there's pretty much no other reason to vote Trump. It's not like people were voting for Trump because of his policy initiatives or political experience. There's no way you're convincing me that his excellent and well thought out trade policy was his main draw.


And him doing slightly better with minorities than Romney isn't say much considering how abysmal Romney's numbers were.

Voting Trump was a fukk you to the political elites of both parties that many Americans feel have become completely fed up with.
In many cases, I would assume (especially in the Rust belt), it was many of the same people that voted Bernie in the primaries.

 

[StatUS]

I'll say it again here. White people voted for Trump despite his racism.

This nation was built on white supremacy so as long as Trump didn't go at them they're not gonna be concerned with his rhetoric to minorities when he's claiming he's gonna bring their jobs back and "drain the swamp." The only time Trump was ever in trouble with whites is when he was talking about sexually assaulting their woman.

This is the country we live in and some of you guys will need to wake up and realize that.

 

[acri1]

Voting Trump was a fukk you to the political elites of both parties that many Americans feel have become completely fed up with.
In many cased, I would assume (especially in the Rust belt), it was many of the same people that voted Bernie in the primaries.

No, it was a fukk you to anybody that's not white. Let's be honest here.

 

[Shogun]

No, it was a fukk you to anybody that's not white. Let's be honest here.

I don't agree.
Yeah, pretty much all of racist white America is thrilled with the results, but it's far from the whole story. IThey're also who the media focuses on because they're sensational, and more interesting than some random Joe complaining about losing his job...but it's doesn't explain this election. Those same people always votes republican no matter who the candidate is. Plus, Trump got more minority votes than the previous Republicans in recent presidential elections.

People vote on their wallets, and some of their concerns with the establishment elite are legitimate. Saying Trump won simply because all of his voters are racist is simplistic, and just not accurate.

 

[the next guy]

Nobody said anything about the "second-coming of Hitler." But the Trump campaign was very clearly driven by race. The lynchpin of his so-called economic platform, and indeed the Republican party's platform for years now, is that there are a bunch of nonwhite people out there who are getting disproportionately favorable treatment from our government and we need to put a stop to it.

It's a joke because our own "side" has made it a joke.

Reagan Democrats in the 80s, Blue Dogs, Clinton Moderates in the 90s. In addition, a lot of us on the real left got a lot of shyt from daring to hold Obama accountable for his missed opportunities from 2008-2010. We also got a lot of shyt for warning against Obama's dangerous increase of the executive powers, powers that Trump will now have on day 1.

We focus on Trump's repugnant and racist campaign, and we should, but also don't ignore the fact that he ran TO THE LEFT of the Democratic candidate on several issues, including trade policies and some foreign policy items.

So again, I take a look at the performance of the rust belt and battleground states that gave him victory in the electoral college, his net negative vote total compared to Romney, and middle class and minorities not showing up for Hillary, and can only conclude that the reason he won was because of his stances on trade policies in key areas.

Acri and others think I'm implying there wasn't a racist movement or tone to his campaign. I'm not denying that. What I am saying is that it should not have been enough to win the electoral college. The numbers don't add up at all.

Racism had more to do with it than jobs bruh...

A perfect example was a TYT video posted in another thread with a journalist asking Trump voters questions...

A gentle elderly white lady that looked like somebody who would offer you a slice of apple pie was asked why is she voting for Trump...Her answer was he's a good family man...

The journalist then asked what about president Obama? Her answer was no but his wife appears to be...

Obama apparently isn't a good family man but the orange clown that buys a new wife ever 10 years and wants to fukk his own daughter is...

It's obvious why she thinks the white man is a good family man and the black man isn't...

This is the voter Trump brought out of their houses in mass on election day...It wasn't about their factory jobs, it was about the "white way of life" being threatened by the godless baby killing liberals that want to accept everybody and take our guns away...

They voted to "preserve God, country and family values" by electing orange Judas with a fukked up hair piece...

White Amerikkka...

It's really not either/or though man. Racism was a huge motivator in his turnout. The stuff about trade in the rust belt doesn't apply much to FL and NC for example. I'm sure a lot of the turnout in rural and suburban white areas of the rust belt was motivated by race as well.

It was economics, it was race but overall it was he struck the right chord of anti-establishment at the perfect time against somebody who embodied the establishment.

You can call Trump dumb, but the man has marketing savvy. His mantra this whole cycle was "the system is rigged," and that's exactly what the mood of the country was.

Agreed with @Mephistopheles and @Type Username Here (and welcome back TYP). The racism excuse is absolute trash at this point. It was a part of it for sure, but are you serious telling me 35% of latinos and 9% of blacks are racist? The people that voted for Obama twice?

The excuses the mainstream makes is outrageous. Corporate Liberalism has failed, point blank. The davos class doesn't get it yet, people want their jobs and diginity back, all races. there are not 59.5 million racists in this country. Hillary failed to connect, end of. Crappy campaign, having seizures on 9/11, breaking all the email rules.

 

[the next guy]

No, it was a fukk you to anybody that's not white. Let's be honest here.

By previous Obama voters? You only get offended at this if you're an establishment hack.

 

[acri1]

By previous Obama voters? You only get offended at this if you're an establishment hack.

Where are you getting this idea that a significant number of Trump voters were Obama voters? I'm gonna need some evidence because otherwise I'm calling .

The right just had their base much more motivated, they didn't change anybody's minds. I'd bet anything 90%+ of Trump voters either voted Republican or didn't vote at all when Obama ran.

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

No, it was a fukk you to anybody that's not white. Let's be honest here.

So choosing an old white man instead of an old white woman was somehow a betrayal of people of color...

you think you may be oversimplifying just a little bit

 

[the next guy]

Where are you getting this idea that a significant number of Trump voters were Obama voters? I'm gonna need some evidence because otherwise I'm calling .

The right just had their base much more motivated, they didn't change anybody's minds. I'd bet anything 90%+ of Trump voters either voted Republican or didn't vote at all when Obama ran.

Just look at MI, county by county. She choked in the midwest. He got 9 percent of blacks and 30 percent of latinos.


She choked bruh, there's no other way to say this.