A Generation of American Men Give Up on College: ‘I Just Feel Lost’

[The Radiant One]

Who is better off?

I recruit automotive technicians. Most of the techs I'm looking at least went to a 2 year school.

Even in trade, you are not worse off for getting an education.

I'm not saying don't educate yourself. However spending 40k a year for a private college when you don't know what you want to do and can't ever get that money discharged is not a good plan.

Community college is great and I recommend it for tradesmen because you will start to earn more when you start your own business.

 

[MoneyTron]

Now That is a lie. We got 2 posters in here saying that they still paying off loans with good paying careers, and you say that is not true?

People with 50k and above in debt is unacceptable.

America should get All undergrad education for FREE.

It took me about the same to pay off my loans. Do I regret it? Absolutely not. I'd do it again in a heartbeat, except I'd actually have a plan given a do over.

 

[Robbie3000]

But is that an excuse to keep tuition prices high? Here has to be a major course correction, and that, I mean these instutions needing a whole financial collapse to LOWER TUITION PRICING!

If You are not for lowering tuition pricing at this point, then you are part of the problem.

I'm not here for a philosophical debate on college tuition(I'm for free tuition btw). I'm just pointing out the stats that say the average college graduate will earn $1 million more than the average High School graduate over the course of their lives.

The gap grows larger with more advanced degrees.

 

[Wild self]

College isn’t useless at all. It’s very much worth it, especially when you’re Black. It’s one of the most efficient vehicles for us to achieve social mobility. Me and a lot my nikkas graduated and immediately started making more money than our parents.

Most people who are super critical of college either don’t have a degree, or they didn’t do what they were supposed to do. They don’t tell you that there’s a ‘right’ way to do things. Folks go to some expensive private school with no scholarship and/or major in whatever with no plan.

You can’t major in some bullshyt with no plan. Even if you’re STEM, did you do an internship? What’s the job market like in your city? Did you do any projects?

Having a plan is more important than what your major is. You need to have an idea of what you’re gon do when you get out, especially if you not in something like Engineering. Networking is prolly the most important part of college. You’re paying for those opportunities and connections. If you intern and network, you’ll get a good job no matter what your major is.

The real problem with college is that the ridiculous cost combined with student loans make it predatory Teenagers generally aren’t mature or wise enough to make the best decisions financially. There ain’t any other situation someone with no money would be able to take out so much money with loans, but the government just lets this student loan shyt fly.
Then on top of that you’re forced to pay to take irrelevant classes

Blame 2008 financial crash happening, when people lost the trust of schools.

 

[BaggerofTea]

You don't even want to know how many young brehs I come across on a regular basis who tell me they had no idea a trade/vocational school even exists.

shyt isn't talked about or pushed anymore in schools because the system is DESIGNED to keep people in debt no matter how much money they make and a trade is one of the few ways to buck the debt slavery system this country has implemented and make your own way. I make just as much as most high earning college graduates with NONE of the debt to go along with it. I also probably have a better retirement than most of those college grads too. Like I said I don't regret not going to a 4 year school AT ALL.

You dont have to spend a lot of money to go to school and get educated in a field that is valuable.

Remember, a lot of industries in trade schools are hard on the body after 10-15 years of working.

 

[MoneyTron]

But They can raise tuition rates with a whim. Why dont you address that?

Of course they can. Again, I'd like to know why. You're telling me its a certainty that they can lower them with no evidence.

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

People say this like trade school isn’t expensive. There ain’t no “most circumstances” about it. Most people aren’t built to work a trade. Let people do what they want and make it affordable. Simple as that. Makes more sense than trying to push people into professions they have no passion for and won’t be good at. Some things will pay more than others, oh well. Let people make that choice too.

FYI, in most places in America, the top 20 percent highest warning people are college educated.

Trade school is not expensive bro, I was able to get put through trade school for free.

 

[Wild self]

I'm not here for a philosophical debate on college tuition(I'm for free tuition btw). I'm just pointing out the stats that say the average college graduate will earn $1 million more than the average High School graduate over the course of their lives.

The gap grows larger with more advanced degrees.

People with grad degrees are saddled in more debt, and not making that much more. Add the fact that you got IT coders, people in sales and using social media to promote they products, and crypto currency not touching a college classroom, really making men think twice of school.

Just lower the tuition to pre-1995 levels and this topic goes away.

 

[MoneyTron]

People with grad degrees are saddled in more debt, and not making that much more. Add the fact that you got IT coders, people in sales and using social media to promote they products, and crypto currency not touching a college classroom, really making men think twice of school.

Just lower the tuition to pre-1995 levels and this topic goes away.

 

[Wild self]

Of course they can. Again, I'd like to know why. You're telling me its a certainty that they can lower them with no evidence.

So they can Jack up rates, not lower it, and still cannot explain why its like that? That is a whole scam.

 

[Rell Lauren]

You don't even want to know how many young brehs I come across on a regular basis who tell me they had no idea a trade/vocational school even exists.

shyt isn't talked about or pushed anymore in schools because the system is DESIGNED to keep people in debt no matter how much money they make and a trade is one of the few ways to buck the debt slavery system this country has implemented and make your own way. I make just as much as most high earning college graduates with NONE of the debt to go along with it. I also probably have a better retirement than most of those college grads too. Like I said I don't regret not going to a 4 year school AT ALL.

I wouldn't say that it's designed to keep people in debt. Why are shop classes being removed from high schools across the country? K-12 education is becoming more and more feminine based as the teachers are largely women. This is ultimately the one of the roots of boys becoming dissuaded from higher education or feeling disillusioned once they get there.

 

[MoneyTron]

So they can Jack up rates, not lower it, and still cannot explain why its like that? That is a whole scam.

I didn't say they can't. I'm asking why you think that's doable given the sheer volume of expenses it takes to run a school. Have you looked into a college's finances to determine how that might work?

Between admin, professors, research, real estate, sports, students, operations, groundskeeping, etc. how do you expect a college to pay for all of that with 50% of the funding they are expecting?

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

You dont have to spend a lot of money to go to school and get educated in a field that is valuable.

Remember, a lot of industries in trade schools are hard on the body after 10-15 years of working.

Yes and no. Look at the average age of a LICENSED skilled tradesmen in this country. It is in the 50's right now I believe. There are a lot of old men who work these jobs to retirement just fine bro. It's mostly about taking care of your body in your overall life than just the work.

Nobody ever brings up the issues a sedentary lifetyle working behind a desk brings either.

 

[Wild self]

I didn't say they can't. I'm asking why you think that's doable given the sheer volume of expenses it takes to run a school. Have you looked into a college's finances to determine how that might work?

Between admin, professors, research, real estate, sports, students, operations, groundskeeping, etc. how do you expect a college to pay for all of that with 50% of the funding they are expecting?

1) get rid of the unnecessary shyt like SHOPPING MALLS on campus
2) stop building new dorms when the population isn't increasing
3) lower the salary of the administrators and the president of these schools
4)be transparent on the finances, on every level
5) bring grants to more students from working AND middle class families.

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

I wouldn't say that it's designed to keep people in debt. Why are shop classes being removed from high schools across the country? K-12 education is becoming more and more feminine based as the teachers are largely women. This is ultimately the one of the roots of boys becoming dissuaded from higher education or feeling disillusioned once they get there.

Everything about the US financial system is desgined to keep you in debt. From the exorbitant cost of housing, transportation, education, even food it's all entirely too expensive, but it's ok because anything can be financed in this country.