A Generation of American Men Give Up on College: ‘I Just Feel Lost’

[ogc163]

Bro, I almost responded to this then decided to just let you sit there in that ignorance and hopefully @ogc163 or someone else takes this.

LOL nah the ideas have about law school on this website are way off point, there's already been a post implying the pathway through the bar is relatively straightforward--which is extremely inaccurate.

These threads reinforce my constant emphasis on understanding the college admissions and corporate game. It seems as though many posters came up in working-class environments that emphasize "stability" and don't get that at the next level the emphasis is on "access", and I understand that perspective because I came up in a poor/working-class environment.

But as I've often discussed with my boys regarding our struggles with law school, the bar exam, and advancement at the associate/entry level there is a hard ceiling to providing checkers advice when people are playing high stakes poker games.

This discussion hits home because of my experience, along with having a 19-year-old nephew who has decided to skip his first year of college. My parents are annoyed, but I had to remind them that he doesn't have the values nor more importantly the systemic support to engage with college at this point. Government institutions underperform in their duties to prepare these young men, but many families are also at fault for maintaining mental models appropriate for working in a factory but not in an upper-middle-class complex setting.

And so, I hope jokers who shyt on college who have seeds understand the options or lack thereof that will be available for their kids in relation to college. If cats have a plan to help their kids avoid debt while acquiring a job that provides stability, then cool. But I've often seen dudes in NYC who have an anti-academic attitude push "good" civil service jobs that are subject to high degrees of randomness in regards to getting hired. Avoiding complex systems that require hard tradeoffs is going to become increasingly difficult for Gen-Z, and this thread seemingly shows that many in our community will be blindsided.

 

[O.Red]

I keep telling Black men, if you can, become an electrician, the demand for them is crazy right now. I just brought a new light for my mancave and I had to wait 2 weeks and pay an electrician 150 dollars to put it in.

Black folks do need to flood some trade markets

In Texas all the electricians are Mexicans and clicked in like a mf

Same for construction.

 

[feelosofer]

Black folks do need to flood some trade markets

In Texas all the electricians are Mexicans and clicked in like a mf

Same for construction.

There's all this new construction going on out there too, there's too much work and not enough people. Trades schools are out here offering payment plans and discounts out there because all these old cacs are retiring.

 

[HoldThisL]

A degree increases your ceiling so you can keep getting promoted. The good jobs require experience too. If you don't take out hella debt then a degree is usually worth it. I say usually because it also depends on your field of study

You right, there is a cap once you are in certain companies if you don't have a degree. The main issue I am describe is a bachelor degree, overall it seems like it is losing it's value. Feel like companies are requiring additional education/skills/experiences for jobs where you would have just needed that degree years ago. Feels like it's a gatekeeping thing to keep Black people out

 

[MaxPain]

You have to take that incel shyt elsewhere. This is a real topic that has a catastrophic impact to the nation if young men and boys are treated as disposable by a society that has grown to resent them. One of the women who's observed this trend has said as much in the piece.

Everything’s always gotta be about p*ssy to some guys.

 

[Software]

You right, there is a cap once you are in certain companies if you don't have a degree. The main issue I am describe is a bachelor degree, overall it seems like it is losing it's value. Feel like companies are requiring additional education/skills/experiences for jobs where you would have just needed that degree years ago. Feels like it's a gatekeeping thing to keep Black people out

Yeah that additional stuff is gatekeeping.
But Graduate degrees breh. graduate degrees are losing their value. They are more expensive than bachelor's a lot of times for the increase in pay you'll get. 100k student loans vs 30k for bachelor's. Only for the job to pay you 10k more starting. Even professionals like Doctors and Lawyers trapped and gotta work for a long time cuz they got over 100k student debt

 

[Antwon Mitchell]

Well, women make up most of the U.S. population so it kinda adds up as to why we're seeing more women of all races and ethnicities attend college more so than men .


Also, other general factors come into place...

 

[Mowgli]

Go to college with no purpose bruhs

 

[ItzRailT]

I'm so glad I never went to college I know so many people who went and got nothing to show for it but hella debt.

 

[MoneyTron]

LOL nah the ideas have about law school on this website are way off point, there's already been a post implying the pathway through the bar is relatively straightforward--which is extremely inaccurate.

These threads reinforce my constant emphasis on understanding the college admissions and corporate game. It seems as though many posters came up in working-class environments that emphasize "stability" and don't get that at the next level the emphasis is on "access", and I understand that perspective because I came up in a poor/working-class environment.

I literally said that in my last post. I grew up in a middle/upper middle class environment. I know how this game is played.

When it comes to grad school you’re paying to play. Dudes come out of HBS or HLS with $100K+ in debt but I doubt you’ll hear but a small percent that will say it wasn’t worth it.

I have no clue what that dude is talking about.

And so, I hope jokers who shyt on college who have seeds understand the options or lack thereof that will be available for their kids in relation to college. If cats have a plan to help their kids avoid debt while acquiring a job that provides stability, then cool. But I've often seen dudes in NYC who have an anti-academic attitude push "good" civil service jobs that are subject to high degrees of randomness in regards to getting hired. Avoiding complex systems that require hard tradeoffs is going to become increasingly difficult for Gen-Z, and this thread seemingly shows that many in our community will be blindsided.

Fully agreed here too.

 

[BK The Great]

College and school is a scam. Invest in a business or property and learn the ins and outs of it by yourself. Better off then being in debt with nothing to show for.

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

I start my last year of trade school next week

I'm getting paid the most I ever have in my life

Job security is STURDY

I'm eating.

Electrician.

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

Good luck finding a woman to marry who doesn't have a mountain of debt

 

[AAKing23]

K-12 has been centered on girls since the 90s

Also, There is way more pressure on young men to have money, his own place, a car ect right out of High School. Many will chose the work force over college, avoiding debt for a degree which may be worthless outside of STEM.

But No one will judge a young woman for being a broke college student.

This is why serious conversations about men’s outlook on life
Can not happen on this forum
Everything in life is not about fukking or entertaining some female
There are a lot of men(across all racial lines) feeling displaced in this world
Feel like failures for not “figuring it out” at the appropriate societal age
Out here depressed even when they are the most popular and successful
Men’s mental healthy is put on the back burner and it’s goofy fakkits like you
That help keep perpetuating this mythos of men not being human
I don’t even get mad at bytches when they say this dumbshyt
Because clearly they don’t know better and never can walk in a mans shoes
But when I read fukk nikkas like you saying this shyt
Boiling everything down to “incel “
It tells me you more bytch than a female
And some of y’all wonder why you don’t have true homies
Just as toxic as these bytches

well stated brehs

 

[AAKing23]

Dp