A King Asks For Seconds & A Chef Obliges: Official Warriors vs. Cavs 2016 NBA FINALS Thread

[G-Zeus]

I didnt look at any stats or anything. He was coming up big plays and strips on defense from what I could remember.

yeah as i said on the 4rth.. but the last few games.. including game 7.. dude was like -17 by the end of the third quarter

 

[G-Zeus]

I didnt look at any stats or anything. He was coming up big plays and strips on defense from what I could remember.

yeah as i said on the 4rth.. but the last few games.. including game 7.. dude was like -17 by the end of the third quarter

 

[fifth column]

In a fair fight (no cheating from refs), Cavs sweep. In a real fight (no throwing games from Lue like he did the games against the Raptors and like Billy did game 7), Cavs sweep. I don't know what's going to happen, but the Cavs should win in 6 or less.

 

[Victim of Racism]

You're the worst sports fan. if shytdon't go your way you'll just lean on refs cheating.

My way? Nope. I wanted the Warriors because all signs point to Cavs in 6 or less. Let me hit you with a few quotes proving I wasn't supporting the Thunder:

I want GS against the Cavs. Last year's GS team was a better Playoff team because they played defense. They traded defense for offense when they decided to "improve" their bench, so this year they give up a ton of points. That's great for the regular season when teams can't game plan against you for a week. I don't see how that "D'Antoni run, gun, move the ball, jack up 3's, and outscore teams instead of playing defense" style is going to win a title against teams that defend. The Cavs were even able to muster up 93ppg against a better defensive GS team with just 'Bron last season. This season, they will score more than that, especially against the 2016 GSW who are allergic to defense.

Are any Cavs fans scared of GS? If so, why?

You're probably a White Supremacist.

Western conference is trash this year. Eastern conference is not. Hawks and Pistons swept Houston and Portland (GS's 1st and 2nd round opponents).

All signs point to Cavs in 6 or less, not including the Cavs' current run and all the excuses about GS's health:

GS played absolutely no one in the past 2 postseasons until now. They played a "can't score at all" Memphis, a washed D12, a depleted Pelicans, a depleted Cavs, and a depleted "can't defend at all" Portland. The Spurs threw a round for the 2nd year in a row to keep from embarrassing them. Translation: they haven't proven anything, and they certainly haven't proven that they're as good as people say they are. They're not in the same stratosphere as any team with Jordan on it; I don't care how many more wins they got than that 72-win Bulls team. They nearly killed Curry just to prove they are better than that team just because their record. What ever will Curry do to prove he's better than Jordan? Being outplayed by bench players in the Finals isn't gonna work.

Cavs got 2 games in the Finals against them without Kyrie, Kevin, Channing, and a healthy Shump.

GS plays no defense at all. The Blazers averaged 115ppg in the 2nd round and they're giving up more than 102ppg in the Playoffs overall. It was much worse in the regular season. They've been outscoring teams all season long. I absolutely dare them to try that against an explosive offense like Cleveland, who, unlike Okc, actually moves the ball.

Cavs are a very versatile offense. They will beat you from mid-range, long 2's, 3's, and in the paint. 5-9 ft is the only area where they're shooting significantly below average in the Playoffs: NBA.com/Stats. I dare anyone to just give them such an easy bucket; I don't care how poorly they're shooting it from that area. Toronto tried that last game and Cavs shot 7-14 (50%) from that distance: NBA.com/Stats. Cavs were trash in the paint, but when Toronto decided to give them the paint, they killed them. They will beat you with their ball-movement. If you're not careful, Cavs will beat you with their nice transition game. If you manage to stagnate their offense some, they will also beat you in isolation; It happened in the last game against Toronto and for stretches of the Hawks series. Cavs can adapt. They did against the #1 defense Hawks. What ever will GS do when they can't move the ball, get out in transition, and chuck 40ft 3's against a team that can defend? Cavs swept a similar offensive team who actually defends (Hawks) by stopping their ball-movement and transition game.

Cavs defend.

Cavs have the better bench because they defend and Coach Lue plays 'Bron with them. GS's bench gives up more points (NBA.com/Stats) than they score and that's only significant because they're the highest scoring bench in the Playoffs by a landslide: NBA.com/Stats

Cavs are very well coached, and with a guy who knows the Triangle and never lost to teams who tried to copy his Lakers teams' offense (Popovich). He can coach against the Warriors copycat version of the Triangle. He's good at his lineups and rotations. Coach Casey actually admitted that he doesn't know what to do when the Cavs play Love and Frye together. That lineup cost the Hawks a pivotal game 3. I won't even get in to how great Coach Lue is at making adjustments. I'll just point out that Kerr had to be told to go small in the Playoffs by a member of his coaching staff (not knocking Kerr). Cavs defense was top-notch when Lue was the defensive coordinator. Cavs offense exploded when he took over as head coach, and scoring 115ppg became routine for them, just like it did for GS when Kerr took over. He got Love, Kyrie, and Swish playing defense.

Cavs have a Playoff beast in 'Bron.
But good luck with 73 wins, a close game against the Cavs, and a blowout game that the Cavs threw to fire Blatt.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

They benefit from the same the other way ..kinda cancels itself granted OKC a lankier team..but cavs got lebron and kyrie

Bogut, Ezeli and Draymond are defensive liabilities? Cleveland's bigs should feast then right?

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

im putting in $200 for this.

we need @Absolut to give us the word

 

[Victim of Racism]

All this talk about Iggy "stopping" 'Bron. If you "stop" him from shooting efficiently, have you "stopped" him? No. The Cavs can win games without 'Bron shooting well, but they can't win with him off the floor for a whole game because his impact starts with his ability to run an offense. If he plays, his opponents are in trouble, no matter how he shoots. The Thunder didn't put GS in a 3-1 hole by KD and Russell shooting the ball well (they shot terribly in games 1-4), and that's not how they lost their 3-1 lead either.

 

[G-Zeus]

Bogut, Ezeli and Draymond are defensive liabilities? Cleveland's bigs should feast then right?

liability is such a strong word...



remember before lebron was burned out of his energy.. he was taking care of all three and putting them on the bench...

i see Kyrie drawing lots of fouls too as all three are very foul prone players..

see the difference between Russ and Kyrie is that RUSS does a line drive all full speed... kyrie is more stop and go and change of directions... to stop Kyrie you have to double him...

so double Kyrie.. double Lebron... is this something GSW can really afford? chances are they have to play Ky one on one and live with the result while doubling lebron and to me this will cause serious interior defense gaps

 

[G-Zeus]

the reason all experts and media are siding with GSW is pretty much because you cant take lebron off the floor..

it has yet to be proven that against a team like GSW Lebron can rest...because the raptors was able to abuse and this is probably all they got going for them in the tapes...

find a line up that can abuse the cavs when lebron is off the floor.

 

[DaRock]

I'm not saying he didn't have it hard, but he's been the best basketball player most of his life, even as a kid. He was more privileged than a lot of kids under the same circumstances.

I can respect this...and I'm not going to ruin the official thread with our back and forth...all I am saying is that his life didn't start when he started being good/great at basketball and he could've easily said fukk it during his hard times growing up and watching his Mom struggle...his environment growing up was a "statistics starter kit to a tee"... peace out Bro....

 

[Victim of Racism]

A dominant team being embarrassed isn't unheard of. The Heat just got gentlemen swept out of the Finals 2 years ago by an average of 15 points per game. They got blown out in so many of those games it was sad. They got Cavaliered like Toronto and Atlanta did this year. In a fair and real fight, that's how this series goes.

 

[DaRock]

He was traveling the world playing basketball when he was 11 while she was doing whatever. His homeboy old man had his back from the jump. Dude was straight

I can respect this...and I'm not going to ruin the official thread with our back and forth...all I am saying is that his life didn't start when he started being good/great at basketball and he could've easily said fukk it during his hard times growing up and watching his Mom struggle...his environment growing up was a "statistics starter kit to a tee"... peace out Bro....

 

[HoopLife]

GS coming out the gate starting Iggy right?
I don't see how Bron does too well considering he hasn't been hitting his outside shot. He'll have to go through Iggy then GS has good rim protectors. We see how he fell back once Biyombo turned it on last series. Yet he did it last year. I'm real interested to see how that aspect plays out.

How did he fall back when he shot 62% from the feild and 84% at fhe rim... He avg 25ppg on 62% with a lower use age rate than Kyrie.... Bogut or Green will have to guard Love at the 3 point line. Bron will have a ton of space to attack the rim and post up

 

[PortCityProphet]

How did he fall back when he shot 62% from the feild and 84% at fhe rim... He avg 25ppg on 62% with a lower use age rate than Kyrie.... Bogut or Green will have to guard Love at the 3 point line. Bron will have a ton of space to attack the rim and post up

Each game he got a little bit further away from the rim. Saw some stupid stat like that last week. GS got more bodies to throw at him. And some very good rim protectors

 

[CarltonJunior]

All this talk about Iggy "stopping" 'Bron. If you "stop" him from shooting efficiently, have you "stopped" him? No. The Cavs can win games without 'Bron shooting well, but they can't win with him off the floor for a whole game because his impact starts with his ability to run an offense. If he plays, his opponents are in trouble, no matter how he shoots. The Thunder didn't put GS in a 3-1 hole by KD and Russell shooting the ball well (they shot terribly in games 1-4), and that's not how they lost their 3-1 lead either.

This is such a bad post that I will quote it and get back to it when I get home