Affirmative action in colleges is done for

[L0Qutus]

This is not the first AA case. There have been several in the past, and Roberts, Thomas, and all the other conservative justices have all usually voted against it. the only reason it's still here is because they were always outnumbered by the liberal justices whenever a case came up.

Also even if they remove AA they know those schools won't become heavily asian, because schools like Harvard, Yale, etc... recruit heavily from Legacies and athletes. Both of which are primarily white. (The type of athletes Ivy leagues recruits are for sports like fencing, sailing, lacrosse, etc.. AKA shyt only rich white ppl play.)

They could've voted against it b/c they knew it was safe and they could play their role w/ the conservative base. In the same way Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema are taking the heat for other Dem senators that don't want to get rid of the filibuster. The same way Roberts upheld Obamacare b/c he didn't really want to overturn it when he had a real opportunity. Plus, they could flip it and use the case to say private schools can discriminate based on religious beliefs.

If they got rid of AA, the first thing the Ivies would do is get rid of SAT/ACT scores. Without those test scores they can ignore all the Asians clamoring to get into those schools. They'll accept the scores (insuring high scorers get in) but they won't be determinative and keep the asian population lower at the school.

The California UC system is getting rid of test scores and pretending they are doing it to help Black people and Latinos. The real reason is so they won't be forced to admit so many asians into the crown jewel institutions (Berkley and UCLA). White people in CA tried to fukk over Blacks and Latinos using Prop 209 and it blew up in their faces when Asians took over the best UC schools.

 

[Wild self]

53% is still a lot breh

It used to be 68% in 2000.

At this rate, they only be 38% of the population by 2040.

Their population is rapidly dropping. They pull shyt like this to make their dominance in numbers look stronger than it actually is.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Your an idiot or a cac this will destroy the black middle class

We need to make Affirmative Action lineage based

 

[Voice of Reason]

Yes there’s a thriving black middle class in the DMV and New York Atlanta and Houston. You want to destroy that

Affirmative Action should only be for ADOS

 

[ORDER_66]

Affirmative Action should only be for ADOS

Yeah SHOULD BE... but its not

 

[Voice of Reason]

@adgv85

 

[Geek Nasty]

The biggest beneficiary of Affirmative Action?

White women.

Not sure it'll affect us nearly as much as people think. It may push some white women out and more Asians into school. Legacy admissions is a much bigger problem at the elite schools but no one talks about that.

Basically, rich white boys are swapping out white coeds for Asian coeds at school.

Was just going to mention legacy. Classic grandfather clause BS.

 

[Voice of Reason]

@capt_saveahoe

 

[klutch2381]

Sad but inevitable. This will probably effect only the top schools/ivy league the most. A lot of asians have disapproved with Affirmative Action in college admissions.

Exactly. A lot of people on the Coli are jaded and espouse sentiments that denote they’ve been beaten down by life, but education matters. People can say what they want, but going to an “elite” school is completely transformative for a person from an underserved or underrepresented background. It doesn’t even matter what you major in. For instance, Yale, the top headhunters in the world come to that school looking to hire. There’s a great book called the Inequality Machine that demonstrates that the black population at schools like Harvard, Yale, et al., has been 8% since the 80’s. It’s been static (seemingly intentionally), and the students that get into those schools are normally foreign black students or American black students from well to-do families. So, even when someone has the grades and such, if they aren’t from the right background they’ll most likely be rejected. In turn, our most hallowed academic institutions often fail to be the transformative entity they could be, and actually casually socially reproduce inequality by making the rich, richer (and this is with affirmative action).

In short, anybody saying this would be a good thing for black people is a fukking dullard.

 

[Geek Nasty]

they're starting to get the better athletes

I'm offended that brehs still go to Alabama and Ole Miss, no top tier athlete should even think about those schools.

..add Auburn too, those states STILL execute too many black people, let their bread and butter suffer

Add in Auburn and MSU too

If you want to go pro, Alabama is the ultimate finishing school thats why.

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

Weren't the major recipients of it white women and Asians? Doesn't really make much of a difference for us.

Its like abortion being outlawed when in your state there was only ever one clinic that wasn't even fully staffed and only open 2 days a week during work hours. As far as you might have been concerned it was never legal

 

[Seoul Gleou]

A black student coming out of an Ivy is gonna get the same chance as a white person with only a highschool diploma

What world are you dudes living in

White High School Drop-Outs Are As Likely To Land Jobs As Black College Students
White High School Drop-Outs Are As Likely To Land Jobs As Black College Students


right? in what world would what i said be real?

surely not this one, right?

aint no way america would treat black people badly. not here.

















man shut the fukk up. no one even said anything about ivey grads. people really dont be thinking before they hit reply.

 

[Frangala]

The reason why other groups are fighting tooth and nail for these spots is because these spots are scarce and there is value into being admitted into these elite institutions. An argument can be made about Black students who earn degrees from these institutions that will not make them competitive in terms of earning power in the labor market compounded with dealing with debt accumulated while acquiring uncompetitive degree.

However, to say that it does not matter and minimize AA is disingenuous. There are opportunities that an ivy League degree gets you the other institutions do not, and if that can be pivotal ESPECIALLY since a lot of Black students are first in their families to attend college let alone an elite selective institution like an Ivy league or Ivy league equivalent.

This is an article from last week where Wharton students thought that median income for the American worker is upwards six figures:

Wharton Professor Asks Her Business Students What The Average American Earns—Their Answers Ranged Up To $800k

This is the world they operate in. Yes they out of touch but would it be wrong for a Black student to thrive to be in those circles to get an opportunity to tap into the school's alumni base so that he or she can be lined up with an employment opportunity where he or she can earn more than his/her parents did combined in any single year. He/she can have the opportunity to not struggle financially and take care of his/her family.

We got so many out of touch purists on this board who do not live in the real world. If these things did not matter, why are Asians fighting so hard and keep pushing the "meritocracy" angle when it comes to admissions into these selective schools? Why is a white tenured law professor at Penn saying that she is worried about the influx of Asians in fields such as law, engineering and high-powered fields because it will destroy the "fabric of America"?

Penn Law to sanction professor who said U.S. ‘better off’ with fewer Asians

Can you be successful in life without a college degree and an elite selective institution degree? Yes however life is a lot easier in the professional realm if you have it. The point in life is to be efficient and make everything easy for oneself.

The wealthiest Black person in the US went to Ivy League undergrad and grad school. Keep thinking that shyt does not matter and there is no correlation between the schools attended and his professional status.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Weren't the major recipients of it white women and Asians? Doesn't really make much of a difference for us.

Its like abortion being outlawed when in your state there was only ever one clinic that wasn't even fully staffed and only open 2 days a week during work hours. As far as you might have been concerned it was never legal

The biggest beneficiaries of admissions based Affirmative Action at top schools were affluent non-ADOS immigrants.


The black student population at places like Harvard is mostly non-ADOS word to @capt_saveahoe


White women benefited the most for affirmative action in contracting.

 

[Child_Of_God]

White women are the ones who benefit the most from affirmative action anyway.