Affirmative action in colleges is done for

[CarltonJunior]

I still believe I got into college due to affirmative action. My university was 90% white, i actually used to play ball with a guy who was on the committee that makes sure they accept enough black students and he pretty mucb said that the only reason most of the black students are there is to meet a quota.

 

[Mr. Togo]

Andrew Ng at Stanford talking about completing just one course (not even having a degree yet) CS229 will open up job opportunities for you

Getting into these schools will damn near make you a made man

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[Kiyoshi-Dono]

This will hurt more immigrant students
Especially Asians
You think them Ivy Schools ain’t for the fukkery
Legacy Enrollment about to be on steroids

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Good

Affirmative action does not help us in college admissions anymore.

What is this based on?

 

[RARI_Godwind]

Ok. I feel like this is going to drive the prices of these colleges further up to keep Asians and poorer white people out still.

Them legacies admissions tho? They still going to be just fine.

 

[thekidfromqueens]

School can be important of you have a plan. Otherwise if you don't know wtf you're doing - learn skills. Trades. Coding. Something that will last. You can always go to school. Work experience trumps all - especially in this economy and with jobs being outsourced.

 

[Seoul Gleou]

The Affirmative Action lawsuit is about Ivy leagues you idiot, no one is suing about the race ratio for your random state school

Like I said what world are you living where a black ivy is getting picked over a white person with only a high school diploma

the genesis of my argument was never ivy leagues. that we have to consider the minority of a minority [black ivy league students] is not at all related to my initial point.

but ok, if you still think i'm far removed from reality...here's an upgrade
White candidates with degrees from less-selective universities can expect to get a response every 9 résumés, while equally qualified black candidates need to submit 15.
Elite college degrees give black graduates little advantage in job market

so again, shut the fukk up and maybe google before hitting reply and fact check me.

the mirage of an advantage you think colleges [even your coveted ivy leagues] give is not real. black folks are at a disadvantage already and taking on exorbitant debt for the same or less results is not worth it. at least with trades we can be entrepreneurs and build, quite literally, communities. all while taking in several factors less debt.

 

[capt_saveahoe]

@capt_saveahoe

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[Anno Domini]

Weren't the major recipients of it white women and Asians? Doesn't really make much of a difference for us.

Its like abortion being outlawed when in your state there was only ever one clinic that wasn't even fully staffed and only open 2 days a week during work hours. As far as you might have been concerned it was never legal

White women are the ones who benefit the most from affirmative action anyway.

Good

Affirmative action does not help us in college admissions anymore.

AA definitely benefits black americans. IDK how y'all came to the conclusion that it doesn't. Just because it benefits WW more doesn't mean it doesn't benefit us as well. I'm curious if the people saying this, have ever been through the college process.

 

[Maddmike]

good. colleges in the US are a scam anyway

every able bodied young person should be learning a trade or learning online for free.

fukk these colleges and fukk the system that puts kids into debt for the rest of their lives.

Exactly...we need more brothers in trades to assume positions that allow them to take other young brehs under thier wings

 

[Mr. Togo]

the genesis of my argument was never ivy leagues. that we have to consider the minority of a minority [black ivy league students] is not at all related to my initial point.

but ok, if you still think i'm far removed from reality...here's an upgrade
White candidates with degrees from less-selective universities can expect to get a response every 9 résumés, while equally qualified black candidates need to submit 15.
Elite college degrees give black graduates little advantage in job market

so again, shut the fukk up and maybe google before hitting reply and fact check me.

the mirage of an advantage you think colleges [even your coveted ivy leagues] give is not real. black folks are at a disadvantage already and taking on exorbitant debt for the same or less results is not worth it. at least with trades we can be entrepreneurs and build, quite literally, communities. all while taking in several factors less debt.

The genesis of your argument? man shut up, the entire reason this thread exists is because elite institutions are being sued to get rid of affirmative actions and then you brought up white people with high school diplomas now you are moving the goal posts to white people with college degrees.

And the advantage is the very real soon as soon as I got my computer science degree what I was making a year while in college doubled. If you want to big up trades go ahead but don't try and put down college on some the "white man is too powerful to let you in" BS where you have men defeating themselves before they even try.

And if you want to be entrepreneur you can do the same damn thing with a college degree and as for tuition lets look at Stanford again since Ivy Leagues started reducing if not eliminating tuition for their low income students

For undergraduates admitted starting in 2015, Stanford waives tuition, room, and board for most families with incomes below $65,000, and most families with incomes below $125,000 are not required to pay tuition; those with incomes up to $150,000 may have tuition significantly reduced.[128] Seventeen percent of students receive Pell Grants,[8] a common measure of low-income students at a college

And I didn't have to pay a damn thing for college since I qualified for Pell grants so save that BS for someone else, if you got it you got it to pay, if you don't scholarships and grants will get you straight

 

[Seoul Gleou]

The genesis of your argument? man shut up, the entire reason this thread exists is because elite institutions are being sued to get rid of affirmative actions and then you brought up white people with high school diplomas now you are moving the goal posts to white people with college degrees.

And the advantage is the very real soon as soon as I got my computer science degree what I was making a year while in college doubled. If you want to big up trades go ahead but don't try and put down college on some the "white man is too powerful to let you in" BS where you have men defeating themselves before they even try.

And if you want to be entrepreneur you can do the same damn thing with a college degree and as for tuition lets look at Stanford again since Ivy Leagues started reducing if not eliminating tuition for their low income students

For undergraduates admitted starting in 2015, Stanford waives tuition, room, and board for most families with incomes below $65,000, and most families with incomes below $125,000 are not required to pay tuition; those with incomes up to $150,000 may have tuition significantly reduced.[128] Seventeen percent of students receive Pell Grants,[8] a common measure of low-income students at a college

And I didn't have to pay a damn thing for college since I qualified for Pell grants so save that BS for someone else, if you got it you got it to pay, if you don't scholarships and grants will get you straight

you know what, go ahead and believe whatever you want.

fact is, black people, in this case of ivys, aren't really affected; they were never really the greatest beneficiaries. good luck to all the kids that end up there, though.

but i'll be investing in those that go to HBCUs with my donations to these colleges and i'll invest in kids that seek a trade after school. you seem to think i'm of the belief that the "white man is too powerful". I couldnt care less about what cacs do. i care about how best black people in america can benefit from what's available and how they can establish their own enclaves and thrive, should that need be.
use your anecdotal evidence all you want; glad things worked out for you. but the empirical evidence contradicts your experience.

 

[Marc Spector]

Yall saying this isnt a big deal arent understanding how the capitalism thing works.

This whole thing is meant to squeeze out the very few slots Black folks can get into and completely turn the STEM game over to Asians...who willl then go on to become managers and CEOs at FANG and MS and hire their buddies/countrymen and less Black faces are getting a slice of the pie.

In a Capitalist society this shyt is a zero sum game...them gaining means we are losing. Might not have huge effects on the "black middle class (an oxymoron to say the least)" but it does mean life gets harder for the few who can compete at that level and becomes exponentially harder for those who come after.

Life success is all about if those before you blazed a path and we will never see a generation of STEM professionals if the path to success becomes more and more encumbered.

And btw this idea of HBCU becoming empowered is a pipe dream as the path to a high STEM career goes through elite schools....yall arent realizing that theres levels to this...its like you gotta go to a blue blood to get drafted....you aint coming into a 200-300k senior software dev positions at google without your degree bein from CAL, Stanford, MIT, UCLA, John Hopkins, Michigan, etc

 

[Voice of Reason]

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What are your thoughts?

You had some interesting comments in a thread about the ethnic makeup of medical schools in a thread a while back.

 

[Software]

Therein lies the issue. nikkas think the white man's ice is colder.

Eh his point was more that you don't learn how to deal with micro aggressions and prejudice at from other races at HBCUs. Which is important as well. An ideal path would be to get your bachelor's at an HBCU and then masters at a more more diverse school or vice versa. You get best of both worlds that way.
It's pros and cons to everything though. I think you get better more real connections at HBCUs tho.