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But there is an easy answer. Gun reform. Ensure there's accountability from the manufacturers to the sellers to the American citizen

To solely blame the protagonist in different crimes that all share the same choice of weapon is cowardly and does nothing to address the problem. All it does is funnel more money to the businesses that profit from the prison-industrial complex. That irrational stance could also be applied to the banking housing system's victims....blame the housing borrower and not the predatory lender
-How about our students are performing low in STEM as compared to their counter-parts in other countries, blame the students and parents, not the poor public education system and not the lack of funding to initiatives that promote STEM appreciation and interest to ALL schools in ALL communities

I am in favor of accountability. If I commit a crime, punish me. If I give/transfer a gun to some total unstable idiot and they commit a crime, then punish us both. If the manufacturer is literally creating weapons they should not or sellers are forgoing background checks, punish them. I agree with this.

In the recent case of the Adam Lanza killing his mom who legally bought her guns, it is all on him. If he was armed by somebody willingly giving him guns, then we have another story altogether. In most cases though, I believe it lies with the individual.
 

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The only way to completely stop a criminal is to shut down the black market. But that is like destroying the black market on music. You can only crack down on it and limit its flow. Plus as mentioned earlier, stopping person-to-person (peer) transfer is next to impossible. I am in favor of bringing some gun shows up to par. Outside of that, stores are legit because you're checked in the store while buying the firearms.

Ironically, Operation Fast & Furious and other gun runner programs had some weapons enter the USA and some less than savory guys were equipped as a result. Besides the local black market, it sucks when programs like this happen, go defunct and only pile on already bad problems in its wake.

I am in favor of stopping criminals from getting guns. I am also in favor of law-abiding citizens being armed because criminals will not follow the laws (hence, they are criminals) and defending themselves should some idiot try attacking them.

No law will ever completely eradicate crime. But it's foolish to not try to address a crime problem. One way to curb person to person exchanges is to hold people accountable for their guns. If you purchase a gun, and your gun is used in a crime, you should be held accountable.

The fast and furious story has no business in a gun control debate. That was federal agents not arresting low level criminals so they can try to follow the guns back to the kingpins. It had nothing to do with gun control, they were looking for drugs and organized crime.
 

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Despite all that equipment, we still haven't 'won' the war in Afghanistan. Neither did the Russians. A resisting populace is MUCH harder to take over than a disarmed one. You disarm LEGAL gun owners and you place the power in the hands of government and in the hands of criminals who will still find a way to obtain guns illegally. They'd simply purchase them from black markets who've obtained them overseas.

There are millions of gun owners in this nation and yet there aren't millions of criminals blasting guns at each other every day. Why is that? How about we don't punish responsible owners for the actions of irresponsible users who aren't even likely using legal guns?

The violent crime rate has actually been trending DOWN. Guess what, when you don't flood the media with violence and you actually provide jobs and improve living conditions, people don't have an incentive to go blasting each other.

What should be the solution then? The Sandy Brook shooter was living in a million dollar home, so economics wasn't the problem? Should we put restrictions on violent movies (The Expendables, Taken, The Matrix), Music (Hip-hop), Video Games (COD, Max Payne, GTA), and TV shows (CSI, Dexter, Burn Notice)?
 

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In the recent case of the Adam Lanza killing his mom who legally bought her guns, it is all on him. If he was armed by somebody willingly giving him guns, then we have another story altogether. In most cases though, I believe it lies with the individual.

If he didn't kill his mom, should she have been held accountable for not keeping her guns in a safe place?

Should Adam lanza's mom been training her mentally unstable and highly medicated son on how to uses deadly weapons?
 
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I am in favor of accountability. If I commit a crime, punish me. If I give/transfer a gun to some total unstable idiot and they commit a crime, then punish us both. If the manufacturer is literally creating weapons they should not or sellers are forgoing background checks, punish them. I agree with this.

In the recent case of the Adam Lanza killing his mom who legally bought her guns, it is all on him. If he was armed by somebody willingly giving him guns, then we have another story altogether. In most cases though, I believe it lies with the individual.

Him being armed with a six shooter vs an assault rifle is partly where the problem lies. Most rational folks recognize that unless we have technology similar to the movie minority report with Tom Cruise, then crimes will be commited. But we should take the necessary steps to try to minimize casualty count at least
 

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yall pay attention to what Alex Jones said: "The Second Amendment isn't there for duck hunting," a relatively calm Jones said at the beginning of a two-part, 15-minute interview. "It's there to protect us from tyrannical government and street thugs."

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No law will ever completely eradicate crime. But it's foolish to not try to address a crime problem. One way to curb person to person exchanges is to hold people accountable for their guns. If you purchase a gun, and your gun is used in a crime, you should be held accountable.

I agree with this. However, if you legally transfer your gun, it is no longer your gun. Hence, the responsibility lies with the new owner. Or if your gun is properly stored in a safe, yet is stolen and somebody uses it, in a case where the owner showed proper security/safety protocol, I would not fault the owner in such a rare but tragic event.

The fast and furious story has no business in a gun control debate. That was federal agents not arresting low level criminals so they can try to follow the guns back to the kingpins. It had nothing to do with gun control, they were looking for drugs and organized crime.

Fast & Furious was criminal and shows hypocrisy. The government can arm people unqualified for bearing arms (criminals) and not be properly punished for their faults. The irony is if mass shooting had occurred in the border states with weapons created by this program, a problem helped/created by the government still would have helped the cry for disarming people. Grenades, semi-auto, full-auto weapons found their way to gang members. Some of those weapons were directly given to American gang members too. Entirely irresponsible, unforgivable yet unpunished and again, should anything bad had happened with those items which could be directly traced, it still would lead to a "disarm the people" cry.
 

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I agree with this. However, if you legally transfer your gun, it is no longer your gun. Hence, the responsibility lies with the new owner. Or if your gun is properly stored in a safe, yet is stolen and somebody uses it, in a case where the owner showed proper security/safety protocol, I would not fault the owner in such a rare but tragic event.



Fast & Furious was criminal and shows hypocrisy. The government can arm people unqualified for bearing arms (criminals) and not be properly punished for their faults. The irony is if mass shooting had occurred in the border states with weapons created by this program, a problem helped/created by the government still would have helped the cry for disarming people. Grenades, semi-auto, full-auto weapons found their way to gang members. Some of those weapons were directly given to American gang members too. Entirely irresponsible, unforgivable yet unpunished and again, should anything bad had happened with those items which could be directly traced, it still would lead to a "disarm the people" cry.

The guns were not "given to criminals" the FBI identified known gun runners who were buying guns legaly in america and taking them to mexico, instead of arresting them right away, they tried to follow them to their leaders. Again this has nothing to do with the gun control debate, and actually it points to the fact that the legal loopholes the criminals used to aquire the guns should be closed.

Also there should be no "leagal transferring of guns" unless you can perform a backround checks, and a mental evaluations, you shouldn't be allowed to give of sell a gun to anyone.
 

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yall pay attention to what Alex Jones said: "The Second Amendment isn't there for duck hunting," a relatively calm Jones said at the beginning of a two-part, 15-minute interview. "It's there to protect us from tyrannical government and street thugs."

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nikka, that was when the US military was cacs with single shot muskets and bayonets. Even if you give everyone a damn Fully automatic assault rifle, how the fukk are you gonna stop the US government from rolling a tank through your block and leveling that shyt on some Call of Duty steeze?

Or flying a drone and destroying the major infrastructure of your state?

Y'all gotta stop using the excuse of "guns are here to protect us from the government." The automobile wasn't even invented when that shyt was written.
 

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What should be the solution then? The Sandy Brook shooter was living in a million dollar home, so economics wasn't the problem? Should we put restrictions on violent movies (The Expendables, Taken, The Matrix), Music (Hip-hop), Video Games (COD, Max Payne, GTA), and TV shows (CSI, Dexter, Burn Notice)?

There is no real solution for lunatics. Society will always have its loose cannons who decide to blow up and do something insane. In China, where guns aren't easily obtained, they have lunatics going on stabbing sprees, even stabbing children. You don't have guns, then you have criminals with knives.

You don't go about censoring and completely prohibiting violent material, but you have to do a better job of how that material gets to children. This is largely a parenting issue. The media is also needs to be more responsible for what it puts out. I remember in the 90s they were flooding the airwaves with the blood and crip ordeal, and all of that spread across the nation like wildfire. You had it out here and had all the kids emulating that disrespectful, defiant attitude... fighting everywhere and even shooting each other. As soon as gangs faded from the media, you don't see it nearly as much. The media isn't the sole cause for violence, but it can do a lot to promote it.

On the issue of videogames, I don't play them nearly as much as I used to because they are starting to get depressing with how violent and sinister they are becoming. I really wish the ball would tip back to Japan, because I'm starting to think the western mind is sick... if you really start observing the kind of games we're pumping out non-stop. It's non-stop murder simulators... hitman where you kill people in sinister ways... manhunt, god of war 3... gta. I find these games a lot of fun, but you have to wonder how this starts to affect the mind of children who play games depicting brutality and murder in increasingly realistic fashion. I'm thankful Nintendo still exists so kids actually have something to play.
 

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There is no real solution for lunatics. Society will always have its loose cannons who decide to blow up and do something insane. In China, where guns aren't easily obtained, they have lunatics going on stabbing sprees, even stabbing children. You don't have guns, then you have criminals with knives.

You don't go about censoring and completely prohibiting violent material, but you have to do a better job of how that material gets to children. This is largely a parenting issue. The media is also needs to be more responsible for what it puts out. I remember in the 90s they were flooding the airwaves with the blood and crip ordeal, and all of that spread across the nation like wildfire. You had it out here and had all the kids emulating that disrespectful, defiant attitude... fighting everywhere and even shooting each other. As soon as gangs faded from the media, you don't see it nearly as much. The media isn't the sole cause for violence, but it can do a lot to promote it.

On the issue of videogames, I don't play them nearly as much as I used to because they are starting to get depressing with how violent and sinister they are becoming. I really wish the ball would tip back to Japan, because I'm starting to think the western mind is sick... if you really start observing the kind of games we're pumping out non-stop. It's non-stop murder simulators... hitman where you kill people in sinister ways... manhunt, god of war 3... gta. I find these games a lot of fun, but you have to wonder how this starts to affect the mind of children who play games depicting brutality and murder in increasingly realistic fashion. I'm thankful Nintendo still exists so kids actually have something to play.

So essentially, there's nothing that can be done? Don't touch media, that's a parents issue. Don't touch guns, cause crazy people is gonna still be crazy?

This is the issue with this debate. When people try to point out that the it's too easy to access guns and regulations should be put in place, gun advocates say no, the problem is the media with it's glorification of violence. When you say ok, let's limit the violence in the media, you say no, it's a parental problem, not the media.

And in regards to your China example. Yes some dude went and stabbed a bunch of kids in the school. The difference is, 0 of them kids died. The issue isn't just curtailing violence, it's about mitigating the number of casualties. It's a lot easier to kill 30 people with an AR15 than it is a machete.
 

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So essentially, there's nothing that can be done? Don't touch media, that's a parents issue. Don't touch guns, cause crazy people is gonna still be crazy?

This is the issue with this debate. When people try to point out that the it's too easy to access guns and regulations should be put in place, gun advocates say no, the problem is the media with it's glorification of violence. When you say ok, let's limit the violence in the media, you say no, it's a parental problem, not the media.

And in regards to your China example. Yes some dude went and stabbed a bunch of kids in the school. The difference is, 0 of them kids died. The issue isn't just curtailing violence, it's about mitigating the number of casualties. It's a lot easier to kill 30 people with an AR15 than it is a machete.

The media has to be more responsible for what they put out. That's what I said... and it should be both on the parents and media to limit access to this sort of violent content. With that said, we have to be careful lest we start walking the line of censorship. You open the door for bannings of one kind and it leaves the door wide open for bannings of other kind.

It may be easier to kill with an AR15, but it's also a lot easier for the government to put the clamps on people who have no ability to fight back. Widespread censorship and removing gun ownership sounds eerily like a lot of Chinese regimes. I'll take the occasional nutcase over a governmental machine of mind control and brutal suppression.
 
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