Alex Jones is fukin crazy WTF!!

[↓R↑LYB]

The media has to be more responsible for what they put out. That's what I said... and it should be both on the parents and media to limit access to this sort of violent content. With that said, we have to be careful lest we start walking the line of censorship. You open the door for bannings of one kind and it leaves the door wide open for bannings of other kind.

It may be easier to kill with an AR15, but it's also a lot easier for the government to put the clamps on people who have no ability to fight back. Widespread censorship and removing gun ownership sounds eerily like a lot of Chinese regimes. I'll take the occasional nutcase over a governmental machine of mind control and brutal suppression.

So again, your solution to these mass shootings that's been going on is for parents to be parents and for the media to be more responsible? How should the media be responsible? Should they chose to willingly not show violent movies, tv shows, games, music, etc? And how are the parents to be held responsible if their 25 year old son goes and legally buys an M16 and shoots up a day care?

In your opinion can anything be done? So far you said don't place restrictions on guns and don't place restrictions on the media.

Like I said earlier, this is the problem with this debate. Gun advocates seem to keep saying either A) leave everything alone or B) have more guns on the streets.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

I live in Georgia and it's unbelievably easy to drive down to dikk's sporting goods, buy a hand gun, an assault rifle, and as much ammo as I want. There's a weak ass background check, and I don't have to register it with any organization. On top of that, if I want to avoid the background check, all I gotta do is buy it from someone (since a BG check is not required to buy from a regular citizen).

shyt like that is the problem IMO. It's just too fukking easy to get a gun, ammo, and their be no accountability.

 

[Tom]

beng beng

 

[parallelrhymes]

Made Piers look like a dumbass.

Alex Jones da gawd!

 

[GetInTheTruck]

There is no real solution for lunatics. Society will always have its loose cannons who decide to blow up and do something insane. In China, where guns aren't easily obtained, they have lunatics going on stabbing sprees, even stabbing children. You don't have guns, then you have criminals with knives.

You don't go about censoring and completely prohibiting violent material, but you have to do a better job of how that material gets to children. This is largely a parenting issue. The media is also needs to be more responsible for what it puts out. I remember in the 90s they were flooding the airwaves with the blood and crip ordeal, and all of that spread across the nation like wildfire. You had it out here and had all the kids emulating that disrespectful, defiant attitude... fighting everywhere and even shooting each other. As soon as gangs faded from the media, you don't see it nearly as much. The media isn't the sole cause for violence, but it can do a lot to promote it.

On the issue of videogames, I don't play them nearly as much as I used to because they are starting to get depressing with how violent and sinister they are becoming. I really wish the ball would tip back to Japan, because I'm starting to think the western mind is sick... if you really start observing the kind of games we're pumping out non-stop. It's non-stop murder simulators... hitman where you kill people in sinister ways... manhunt, god of war 3... gta. I find these games a lot of fun, but you have to wonder how this starts to affect the mind of children who play games depicting brutality and murder in increasingly realistic fashion. I'm thankful Nintendo still exists so kids actually have something to play.

Good post man. I made the same points about violent videogames in the arcadium and got jumped on by people who immediately accused me of trying to take away their precious blood and gore. What a fukking joke.

These clowns treat their video games the same way right wing nuts treat their guns. How ironic.

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[Aizen]

The guns were not "given to criminals" the FBI identified known gun runners who were buying guns legaly in america and taking them to mexico, instead of arresting them right away, they tried to follow them to their leaders. Again this has nothing to do with the gun control debate, and actually it points to the fact that the legal loopholes the criminals used to aquire the guns should be closed.

Also there should be no "leagal transferring of guns" unless you can perform a backround checks, and a mental evaluations, you shouldn't be allowed to give of sell a gun to anyone.

Let this be my last post in this thread. Great discussion. Regarding Fast & Furious:

Source: CBS News
Author: Sharyl Attkisson
Link: Fast and Furious gun found at Mexican crime scene - Political Eye - CBS News

Key Quotes:

Another weapon from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agency's controversial Operation Fast and Furious was recently recovered at a Mexican crime scene, CBS News has learned. Congressional investigators say the crime scene was likely where a recent shootout took place between reported Sinaloa drug cartel members and the Mexican military, in which Sinaloa beauty queen Maria Susana Flores Gamez and four others were killed.

During Fast and Furious, ATF allowed more than 2,000 weapons, including giant .50-caliber guns, to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels and other criminals. Other so-called "gunwalking" operations by ATF let hundreds more guns hit the street. Most of them have never been recovered.

Two other Fast and Furious AK-47-type rifles were found at the murder scene of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010. In September 2011, ATF estimated that Fast and Furious weapons had been recovered at eight violent crimes in Mexico.

 

[Colilluminati]

I'm looking at the municipal code for the city of chicago, and there's no ban on guns breh.

There's a ban on assault rifles and magazines holding more than 12 clips, but not a ban on guns.

You cant carry a gun in Chicago.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

Good post man. I made the same points about violent videogames in the arcadium and got jumped on by people who immediately accused me of trying to take away their precious blood and gore. What a fukking joke.

These clowns treat their video games the same way right wing nuts treat their guns. How ironic.

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I'll ask you the same question I asked kev, what should be done about the media to stop the gun violence? Is it just video games that are the problem, or do we tackle hip-hop, movies, and tv as well?

 

[Takerstani]

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Good post man. I made the same points about violent videogames in the arcadium and got jumped on by people who immediately accused me of trying to take away their precious blood and gore. What a fukking joke.

These clowns treat their video games the same way right wing nuts treat their guns. How ironic.

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VIOLENT CRIME HAS CONSISTENTLY GONE DOWN SINCE THE INVENTION OF GUN-CENTRIC VIDEO GAMES, BROTHER! YOU CAN LOOK THAT UP, DUDE! IT'S A FACT, JACK! AMERICA WAS MORE VIOLENT BEFORE VIDEO GAMES BECAME POPULAR CULTURE, MEAN GENE!

BUT HERE'S A MORE IMPORTANT FACT, BROTHER! THAT NEXUS S 4G THAT YOU SENT THAT POST FROM WAS MANUFACTURED BY BASICALLY SLAVES IN CHINA, DUDE! AND THE MATERIALS TO MAKE IT WERE OBTAINED BY BASICALLY SLAVES IN AFRICA, MEAN GENE!

YOU MIGHT ASK, "BASICALLY, HULKSTER?" THAT'S RIGHT, BROTHER! THEY'RE NOT LEGALLY CONSIDERED SLAVES, DUDE! BUT THEY'RE PAID ONLY ENOUGH TO EAT FOR THE NEXT DAY, TOUGH GUY! SO THEY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CONTINUE MAKING YOUR NEXUS S 4G FOR YOU, BROTHER!

YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM, BROTHER! HOW DO YOU INTEND TO STOP BEING PART OF IT, CHAMP?

 

[Bruce LeRoy]

Made Piers look like a dumbass.

Alex Jones da gawd!

Yea Right. Piers Morgan played him and now he looks like a crazy person.

The average person isn't going to hear most of what he said instead they're going to see a crazy loud fat guy being obnoxious and "bullying" Piers Morgan.. on his show.

That's why he started feeding him little irrelvent questions like "Who blew up the world trade?". Because he knows Alex will take the bait and give some outlandish sounding answer.

 

[Polofresh4]

Jones would have came across a lot better if he had hit his points in a more calm fashion a la Jude Law in Contagion. You can see that he has done research on the topic but his own brashness overshadows any point he could have made.

That being said....anybody within an earshot of the Philly/Jersey/Delaware area and the Salt Lake City area already knew about that pill shyt and its consequences WAY before Rush Limbauch or Andy Reid's kid(rip).

 

[Polofresh4]

But credibility is crucial on this debate because there are too many agents trying to skew and stifle the argument by talmbowt nothing

Again, getting rid of all guns is not the point of the initiative for gun reform. It's a constitutional right, so it's damn near impossible to remove the second amendment

The argument of "bu bu the government have these guns we should too" is a common argument fueled by the fear that the government will begin to attack the citizens. If the citizens are not also purchasing drones and military vehicles, then it don't matter how many guns you have. So that argument is ridiculous. Recall, a major gun reform occurred when black men were policing the police in Cali, so I'm not going to pretend that gun enthusias like Alex Jones have my community's high gun-violence problem as their focal point

The idea of toolin up...against the government....when they fight WARS everyday

Very Well Said

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I'll ask you the same question I asked kev, what should be done about the media to stop the gun violence? Is it just video games that are the problem, or do we tackle hip-hop, movies, and tv as well?

It's a combination of everything. I can't sit here and say that the government or some other kind of authority should be able to regulate what are and aren't acceptable forms of media, but I don't like when people sit there and act like all this filth that's being put out there isn't contributing in some way to a clear problem. Super violent video games, degenerate lifestyles being promoted in music, reality TV....it all plays a role in helping to fukk up the psyche of these kids. To blame EVERYTHING on parenting is disingenuous. When somebody is in the street dying and the first reaction of a young person is to pull out his/her phone to get it on camera and scream "WORLDSTAR!!!" something is wrong breh, something needs to be done, because nobody is purposely raising their children to be that much of a fukking dirtbag.

The first step in trying to correct something is to admit that a problem exists in the first place...people like you like to pick a side and defend it to no end, that does nothing. I don't think suddenly purging our society of all the elements that make up popular culture is feasible, but we have to find some way to wean ourselves off the garbage that is clearly hurting us. How? Well I don't know, I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I do know that banning guns, video games, movies, or whatever isn't going to solve anything when American culture as a whole is fukked. You think banning guns is going to suddenly stop people in this country from murdering each other?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

VIOLENT CRIME HAS CONSISTENTLY GONE DOWN SINCE THE INVENTION OF GUN-CENTRIC VIDEO GAMES, BROTHER! YOU CAN LOOK THAT UP, DUDE! IT'S A FACT, JACK! AMERICA WAS MORE VIOLENT BEFORE VIDEO GAMES BECAME POPULAR CULTURE, MEAN GENE!

BUT HERE'S A MORE IMPORTANT FACT, BROTHER! THAT NEXUS S 4G THAT YOU SENT THAT POST FROM WAS MANUFACTURED BY BASICALLY SLAVES IN CHINA, DUDE! AND THE MATERIALS TO MAKE IT WERE OBTAINED BY BASICALLY SLAVES IN AFRICA, MEAN GENE!

YOU MIGHT ASK, "BASICALLY, HULKSTER?" THAT'S RIGHT, BROTHER! THEY'RE NOT LEGALLY CONSIDERED SLAVES, DUDE! BUT THEY'RE PAID ONLY ENOUGH TO EAT FOR THE NEXT DAY, TOUGH GUY! SO THEY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CONTINUE MAKING YOUR NEXUS S 4G FOR YOU, BROTHER!

YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM, BROTHER! HOW DO YOU INTEND TO STOP BEING PART OF IT, CHAMP?

I DONT GIVE A fukk ABOUT CHINA, BROTHER! I LIVE IN AMERICA, DUDE! I ADMIT THAT IM PART OF THE PROBLEM, CHAMP! THE POINT IS THAT A PROBLEM EXISTS, TOUGH GUY!