All time: STING vs JOHN CENA

[MrFirst2doit]

Man Man Man so much Bullshyt here.

Sting vs Hogan did the all time WCW buy rate but he wasn't a draw

If Cena goes to TNA tomorrow it wouldn't even be as big as the Angle signing. Sting was one of the main reasons Spike gave TNA two hours in primetime and they were able to start taking their PPVs on the road

Its like some of you dudes just be talking to talk

Again the crow character was over...it was new, fresh, mysterious and exciting at the time...and because it was the guy who best symbolized wcw it worked...not so much Steve Borden...your are lying to yourself if you think he drew the way the rock and Austin did with thier personalities and charisma....I'll give you the character worked....for 2 years


other than that 2 year span he nowhere close to Cena career

 

[Silkk]

Again the crow character was over...it was new, fresh, mysterious and exciting at the time...and because it was the guy who best symbolized wcw it worked...not so much Steve Borden...your are lying to yourself if you think he drew the way the rock and Austin did with thier personalities and charisma....I'll give you the character worked....for 2 years


other than that 2 year span he nowhere close to Cena career

This is as stupid as when people say "Daniel Bryan wasn't over, his chant was over"

 

[JoogJoint]

I don't need to shyt on Cena to big up Sting, I just prefer Sting period. I connected with the character almost immediately as a kid who was into larger than life "alter egos" like Batman etc

History has been and will continue to be kind to him because he built a 30 year legacy without having to stomp all over others to get there, that matters.

Being asked to compare someone you've been into since your formative years to someone you discovered as an adult is tough since you have nostalgia to compete with.

Sting showed up in front of an audience that largely shouldn't even know who he is and recieved LOUD We want Sting chants in 2015 in his mid 50's when this very forum was certain he'd get crickets.

Unlike a lot of folks who just repeat Meltzer's talking points I was unfortunately actually watching WCW in those awful early 90's years that people like to pin on Sting

NO ONE you can name was going to draw in that company at that time because they didn't know what they were doing as far as hiring management. Ole Anderson, Bill Watts, Jim Herd behind the times badly and or inept.


Be safe tho.

Thanks for making sense in this disrespectful thread.
Been a fan of Sting since the 90's, part of my childhood, and Sting was doing big things before people even knew who Cena was.

 

[TL15]

This is a great conversation @Ed MOTHERfukkING G

It's hard for people to get out of their feelings though. I saw Sting in the late 90's (like everyone else) mostly and of course that affects my perspective. But anyone saying that Cena isn't out there connecting with the future of wrestling (the kids who are the age that we were when we watched Sting) are lying to themselves.

Sting was a draw in a huge period, but he was also going against arguably the biggest draw ever. I didn't see Hogan in the 80's (My WWF Hogan is around the end of the Ultimate Warrior matches and the awful HH vs Yoko ) but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone of anytime that was getting as much of a reaction as nWo Hogan. You put Sting (who was a star on his own) against the biggest draw ever and he definitely got elevated because of Hogan.

Cena has been consistent, has done some remarkable stuff (great comebacks from injury) and has been a cornerstone of the business. The 90s'-2000s were a huge time in Wrestling because of the fans of the time. Now wrestling is 100% kayfabe, internet spoils everything, the WWF is the WWE, so you can't blame the top guy and say "he doesn't draw like Sting" because the business is completely different now.

There have been very few times where Cena was outshined by someone else. I know there were times (CM Punk during their feud comes immediately to mind) when Cena has been outshined, but love him or hate him he has always been the focal point. There were times in my memory of Sting's career where I can honestly say that he wasn't (Main event Mafia he was one of many, nWo Wolfpack he was close to if not below Nash). I know someone can say "oh that's booking" and that's fine, but Cena has maintained a high level of interest (boos are interest) for a very long time.

Cena has never had a rival like Sting had Hogan. There is no way that the character change has nearly the same impact without the nWo takeover. But Sting as a talker, a worker, an innovator, consistency over years, mystique, are all undeniable.

I think either point can be legitimately made. Sting was Cena's age in 1998 so if you count all of Sting's TNA stuff you have to wait and see how the next few years pan out. I'd say John has had a much better "career up to age 39" than Sting but I doubt he has as good of a career afterward

 

[TNC]

People cite the 97 Sting-Crow angle about how Sting didn't talk or wrestle once but let's keep it 100, his booking was on point that year.

He got TONS of TV time, promos and mentions, he was a constantly looming threat and he may not have had a proper match but he was constantly whooping ass and was booked as a force stronger than any one single man. The fact an established veteran could come back and completely reinvent himself the way Sting did speaks volumes.


Cena has has a legendary career, but he Sting has had an Iconic one. Sting will always be looked at as more favorable among fans and the business alike.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

People cite the 97 Sting-Crow angle about how Sting didn't talk or wrestle once but let's keep it 100, his booking was on point that year.

He got TONS of TV time, promos and mentions, he was a constantly looming threat and he may not have had a proper match but he was constantly whooping ass and was booked as a force stronger than any one single man. The fact an established veteran could come back and completely reinvent himself the way Sting did speaks volumes.


Cena has has a legendary career, but he Sting has had an Iconic one. Sting will always be looked at as more favorable among fans and the business alike.

Good post until that....you state that like its fact but its opinion.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Sting has been over his entire career

Cena the opposite

I dont see how this is a comparison.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Sting has been over his entire career

Cena the opposite

I dont see how this is a comparison.

He was incredibly un-over in 94-96 and during the god awful TNA joker shyt


Cena is over with fans. You are a LIAR if you say different. You don't like him but you can't say he isn't over.

 

[Chris Cool]

Never even watched wcw and i know it's sting.

yaw nikkas kill me.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

He was incredibly un-over in 94-96 and during the god awful TNA joker shyt


Cena is over with fans. You are a LIAR if you say different. You don't like him but you can't say he isn't over.

Naw. People been hating Cena because his character was stale and that's going back to 05/06.

I can't recall a time when people were booing sting even during his joker gimmick.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Naw. People been hating Cena because his character was stale and that's going back to 05/06.

I can't recall a time when people were booing sting even during his joker gimmick.

"People hating cena" doesn't mean shyt when he's still selling merch, still drawing crowds, top of the card for the two biggest ppv of all time....etc, I don't like cena like that, at all, but the idea that he is NOT OVER...come on brehs

 

[MrFirst2doit]

This is as stupid as when people say "Daniel Bryan wasn't over, his chant was over"

Bad comparison... DB is great in ring and has charisma and had the underdog thing going for him....I will admit that DB had some dominoes fall in place for him too like the perceived burial by the wwe in real life that added to the combustion effect... all those factors amplified his "overness"

Better comparison of a gimmick and timing making someone more over than they should be would be Roman around the time he got eliminated by Batista in the rumble ....he was coming off the shield and was booked well at the time...the market corrected itself when WWE ruined him and hot shotted him and now he is stale....sting was the product of a lot of things....he's not that charismatic and not good in ring

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

"People hating cena" doesn't mean shyt when he's still selling merch, still drawing crowds, top of the card for the two biggest ppv of all time....etc, I don't like cena like that, at all, but the idea that he is NOT OVER...come on brehs

John Cena has been the most overpushed/protected wrestler of all time.

The wwe go out of their way to make sure there's plenty of merchandise for Cena.

When Cm punk was red hot and the wwe saw thar cm punk`s merchandise was outselling Cena they held cm punk`s merchandise up and threw out more cena merchandise.

I don't understand how you say there was a time when sting wasn't over when he was never booed as a face and he sold out merchandise as well. You can't say the same for Cena.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

John Cena has been the most overpushed/protected wrestler of all time.

The wwe go out of their way to make sure there's plenty of merchandise for Cena.

When Cm punk was red hot and the wwe saw thar cm punk`s merchandise was outselling Cena they held cm punk`s merchandise up and threw out more cena merchandise.

I don't understand how you say there was a time when sting wasn't over when he was never booed as a face and he sold out merchandise as well. You can't say the same for Cena.

Sting got indifference which is worse than being booed. Especially 94-96

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

Sting got indifference which is worse than being booed. Especially 94-96

What exactly do you mean by indifference?