all of that is filler garbage
Alright so lets say Kakarot NEVER existed
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all of that is filler garbage
Still FloW
Gawd Of Shinobi
ERM... NO
MaYBE because Gohan was a fsggot cry baby during that arc
Like anybody cant fukk up a 5 year old who cries aLL the time...
you're confused about what i'm saying...I havent said the levels they reached didnt matter, i'm saying the names of those in between levels doesnt matter...just like you dismissed ss4 cause it wasn't cannon, so are all the names of the in between levels....those levels didn't have names, fans made that shyt up cause of character favs...the only names of levels that matter are: ss, ascended ss (ss2), and complete/perfect ss (some shyt like that) (ss3)...
we're not talking about imperfect cell though, we're talking about perfect cell...the cell vegeta wanted to fight, that's why he let him absorb all the droids...that cell was stronger than vegeta and trunks at that current time cause they weren't ss2...they were in between ss1 and ss2...that's all that part showed....
vegeta trained hard, but never harder than goku and never as long as goku...goku trained his whole life, even in death...vegeta didn't...he didn't start training like that until after the frieza saga...and even then, he didn't do it as consistent as goku cause of his pride...he always believed since he was the prince, he didn't have to do it like a common person like goku...that he should've been naturally like the legendary ss...that's why he never got as strong as goku, ever....he was always playing catch-up
also, they never slept in ss...in the chamber, they walked around and chilled in it, but never slept as ss...and that's only during the cell saga...they rarely did that regularly cause they saw no point since they could go ss with such ease...
yea, vegeta became ss2 after the cell saga, goku and gohan were already there before the end of the cell saga....so he was still playing catch-up...the only reason he caught gohan was cause he stopped training cause of goku not being there; cause of that, his power level stopped growing like that until he became mystic...
as for the mastering thing, that part plays no part in reaching higher levels like that...the only thing they had to master was raising their power levels by unleashing their power...and the hardest part of that was becoming a ss in the first place...just look at the series...it took them longer to reach ss than it did any other level....after they got to ss and mastered getting to that level, look how easily they could go ss...they were doing it in secs...as for the other levels pass ss, no one knew they existed until goku found out...he was always the first to do something, then he came back and let the others know...ex: the cell saga...they thought going ss wouldve been enough to beat anyone after frieza, until cell started whopping they ass...then goku shows up, shows them they can go to another level of ss, and the rest is history...
Mic-Nificent
I didn't eat nobody
It's 2013 and nikkas is still arguing over DBZ power levels....
It's crazy how we still get caught up in this shyt.
It's crazy how we still get caught up in this shyt.
It's 2013 and nikkas is still arguing over DBZ power levels....
It's crazy how we still get caught up in this shyt.
lol...man, dbz was/is my shyt...so much so, years ago I bought the jap version of the whole series (including movies)...they be cussing like a muthafukka lol
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
I'm seeing Cell name pop up in this thread, but if Goku never existed, would Dr. Gero have even created Cell, seeing as he used Goku's genes?
Shiiiiiit, if Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta conquered Earth during their first visit, they would've probably crossed paths with Gero anyway and dead him loooooong before he even begins work on the Androids.
I think the only logic answers are Broly or the Supreme Kai.
Maybe Gero would create androids using different Saiyan DNA. They could likely become strong enough to destroy Frieza and Broly.
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Still FloW
Gawd Of Shinobi
-yamcha would've focused on his baseball career and went pro. Would've banked maad dough.
-Bulma would've stayed with him
-Yamcha would then use his cash to fund dr briefs work and really give him the edge for innovation
-Dr. Briefs company becomes the leader in defense weaponry and he creates a suit for yamcha to wear ala tony or lex luthor.
-Yamcha sons everybody
VERY.. PLAUSIBLE
Still FloW
Gawd Of Shinobi
Basically... Pikon & Dabura..
Frieza would get that WUUUUUUUUUUUUURK
Frieza would get that WUUUUUUUUUUUUURK
VegetasHairline
Veteran
Both Vegeta and Trunks spent 2 years in the time room, Goku and Gohan spent less than a year.
It had everything to do with mastering ssj1, because they clearly said simply trying to increase your power level won't work. That's what Vegeta and Trunks did, and they put in way more work too.
Goku and Gohan simply have better natural talent, and Goku was able to train in heaven and shyt with no limitations.
Also, Cell admitted that Trunks was stronger when Trunks was whooping up on him at first, then Cell showed him it didn't matter because he was way too slow.
This is true, but you forgot to mention that Goku and Gohan both understood the value of a REST DAY.
Think about it like weight training, you can't go into the gym lifting heavy 7 days a week without something breaking, popping or overtaxing your body. Taking a rest day is essential to come back and work out @ 100%. Vegeta never understood this and trained 24/7 which plateaued his progress, whereas Goku and Gohan specially took rest days all the time, and in the chamber. Remember when Goku was giving Gohan those life lessons while in the hot tub?
Ok you're right those names like "ascended ssj" and all that are made up by fans to make sense of it all.
I still disagree with the Vegeta training thing, after the Frieza saga he nearly killed himself to become an ssj. He busted his ass for 2 years in that chamber to get stronger, and he became ssj2 on his own without having a deadly foe to push him or being in other world like Gohan and Goku had. All Vegeta did was train, Bulma even said it herself, that's all he does it train. She said that when Gohan was grown and went to visit at the beginning of the Buu saga. So Vegeta trains just as hard if not harder than Goku, I mean how the hell else is he gonna keep up without the natural talent, and without all the other world/heaven/king kai benefits?
Also you're wrong that Goku was ssj2 before the end of the Cell saga, he wasn't an ssj2. Goku didn't reach ssj2 until after the Cell saga like Vegeta, but you are correct that Gohan reached that level against Cell. Also, not only did Gohan's power level stop growing after the Cell saga, it went down a lot.
Yes you are correct, Vegeta had a habit of pushing himself beyond the limit. That's why he nearly killed himself trying to become an ssj in the first place, which is why I don't understand how @lutha can say that Vegeta didn't train as hard as Goku. He trained just as hard if not harder than Goku, maybe not as smart, but there was no lack in intensity that's for sure.
Judging how DBZ storylines always work...... someone 10x stronger would have eventually just showed up and probably destroyed Frieza and his crew. This whole strongest in the universe is far fetched...
Sometimes the writing of the show confuses me. So you mean to tell me they got all these powerful Kais that look over different sections of the universe and they just let Frieza do wtf he wants to do and destroy planets. But when Majin Buu shows up, now we got the supreme blessing us with his presence trying to stop him. nikka where the fukk was you years ago when Frieza was destroying planets and shyt?
Sometimes the writing of the show confuses me. So you mean to tell me they got all these powerful Kais that look over different sections of the universe and they just let Frieza do wtf he wants to do and destroy planets. But when Majin Buu shows up, now we got the supreme blessing us with his presence trying to stop him. nikka where the fukk was you years ago when Frieza was destroying planets and shyt?
ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
Kais = Gods
They're not really allowed to interfere with the affairs of the mortal realm unless it's a threat that concerns mass destruction of galaxies or the universe.
