Analysis of Kobe and Lebron in clutch situtations :lolbron:

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:francis: Hold yourself to some standards a little higher than an argument that would put Derek fisher on the same step of the ladder as Kobe and Sam jones above everyone from 1970 onward.

you know Sam ain't comparable to Bean. :wtb:

Don't move the goalposts.

harder conference and competition in the West. Bron out here about to cakewalk to another damn Finals in the East. :scust:
 

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you know Sam ain't comparable to Bean. :wtb:

Don't move the goalposts.

harder conference and competition in the West. Bron out here about to cakewalk to another damn Finals in the East. :scust:
:yeshrug: The east has mostly been doodoo for the last 25 years outside of 1-2 teams at a time. I didn't move any goal posts. Ring counting is the single worst argument in sports since it's a team accomplishment. Going by that argument, bird in 1981 and Kobe in 2000 were better than 2017 LeBron. Using that argument, Shaq had a better 2006 finals than he did in 1995 or 2004. Duncan didn't have a better 2014 finals than he did in 2013. The only difference was the team won. That gets influenced by a roster of 8-10 people who play important minutes and entire coaching staffs who draw game plans up.
 

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bron fans are gonna spend their whole lives in threads like these talking about "rings dont matter :sadbron::sadbron::sadbron::sadbron:"

Bron fans be the only nikkas bringing Horry and Fisher into these arguments:pachaha:

have 2 finals wins against teams that ultimately dusted you off brehs:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:



Curry is gonna be tied with Bron for 3 rings while being 3-1 vs Bron in the Finals after next season and his loser fans are gonna have to explain it away:wow:
 

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4 reg seas mvps 3 finals mvps 3 titles as the man >>>>>>>>>> 1 reg season mvp 2 finals mvps and 2 titles as the man

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WINNING 5 TITLES IN THE WEST WIT ONLY 1 ALL-STAR TEAMMATE > WINNING 3 TITLES IN THE EAST WIT A MINIMUM OF 2 ALL-STAR TEAMMATES
 

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Hasn't the notion of "clutch" been kinda debunked by analytics?
 

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all this is irrelevant. lebron literally left his city, (i kno bu bu but akron) and his team that he had been carrying to join another mans team who is a top 5 player and recruit another top 15 player to come along with him. kobe would never go join another top 5 player in his team. he could recruit him to play in LA but he wouldnt go to their house. thats like leaving your family to live with a friend cause they got more money. you cant knock durant for doing that but at the same time not knock lebron. yeah there is slight variations but its one in the same. if you had no problem saying that heat team is lebrons team, than admit this warriors team is durants. then when things are looking a little healthier in CLE and got assets, and dwade health is detteriorating hi jumps ship again.

regardless tho, the point is this man left his city, durant never owed OKC anything he has no ties. lebron left his city to go to another mans team. reggie miller never left indi, he went down with the ship. lebron should have done that, why couldnt he attract any stars, they woulda came eventually.

i think what durant did is bytchmade, just as much as i think what lebron did was bytchmade.

Also a narrative people leave out is by at least 2008 everyone was starting to talk about LeBron's contract being up in 2 years. So if you're a player who was thinking about coming to Cleveland to join up with LeBron, you now had second thoughts because there was a strong likelihood the kid was leaving and who'd want to be stuck on a 5 yr deal in Cleveland afterwards? Nobody.

Also, we now know for a fact that these nikkas (LeBron, Chris Paul, Melo, Bosh & Wade) were already talking about joining up as teammates as FAR back as the 2008 Olympics.

Which means the narrative that nobody wanted to come to Cleveland was bullshyt because Melo, Paul, Bosh & Wade had already decided by 2010 to join up somewhere else. And the other players that weren't in on that conversation likely heard rumors through the nba circles about what they were planning meaning those other players weren't going to fukk around and play with LeBron when they knew the nikka was making secret mastermind plans to leave. So it probably wasn't people thinking he was gonna leave, I'd bet that a good chunk of the players in the league KNEW he was going to leave.
 

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You people are so fukking stupid. On a treadmill with these retard ass arguments. Everyone in this thread who is seriously arguing this shyt, you all are worthless people and I hope you get radiation to the nuts so you either can't have kids or they come out (even more) retarded.
 

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Kobe stans outright disrespect of Shaq is almost as high as their hatred of Lebron.:mjlol:

nikkas really pretending that Shaq wasn't the best and most dominant player on those Laker teams.:russ:
Yeen lying breh, nikkas in here talking like Shaq ain't average more rebounds than Kobe had points in 2000. Top 3 most dominant center of all time but Kobe carried him:skip:
 

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all this is irrelevant. lebron literally left his city, (i kno bu bu but akron) and his team that he had been carrying to join another mans team who is a top 5 player and recruit another top 15 player to come along with him. kobe would never go join another top 5 player in his team. he could recruit him to play in LA but he wouldnt go to their house. thats like leaving your family to live with a friend cause they got more money. you cant knock durant for doing that but at the same time not knock lebron. yeah there is slight variations but its one in the same. if you had no problem saying that heat team is lebrons team, than admit this warriors team is durants. then when things are looking a little healthier in CLE and got assets, and dwade health is detteriorating hi jumps ship again.

regardless tho, the point is this man left his city, durant never owed OKC anything he has no ties. lebron left his city to go to another mans team. reggie miller never left indi, he went down with the ship. lebron should have done that, why couldnt he attract any stars, they woulda came eventually.

i think what durant did is bytchmade, just as much as i think what lebron did was bytchmade.
I mean Kobe also cost his team several chances at championships cause his ego couldn't handle being second, and snitched on his teammate for no damn reason :yeshrug:
Neither are a model for loyalty like their peers
 

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Cacs on there saying Kobe was more offensively skilled than Michael:laff:
This where y'all get y'all stats:laff:
 

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I think a lot of ya forget that Lebron's clutch stat is heavily PADDED. Go search lebron padding final stats and see it for yourself. :ufdup: The stat I posted removes the bias. Basically, "Clutch" is 2 minutes left with margin of 3 in playoffs. If you're down by 10 points in the final moments, no one gives a fk if you make 6 points, you still lose the game. Clutch is when game is on the line and you either win or lose, not when the game is already lost. :stopitslime: When was the last time, you see Bron in that situation. Look at this year's final where Lebron passed the ball to Kyle Korver instead of shooting or driving to the basket. Remember when Lebron got saved by Bosh and Ray Allen??? Those are clutch situations and Lebron doesn't show up. :sadbron: Also remember when Lebron padded his clutch stat during that Golden State game during the finals with few minutes left in the game that was already lost?, a lot of ya forget these stuffs. Kobe is also constantly doubled teamed while everyone knows Lebron can't shoot for sht, and that's why players usually give Lebron free shot knowing he will miss more. :childplease: Give Kobe free shot, he'll make almost all of it.
Nba, espn doesn't remove that bias from stat because they favor Lebron, and are promoting Bron and trying to make money. Whenever you see those Lebron clutch stats, just remember that they are padded and bias. When bias and padding is removed, you get the results I posted in first page. It's either ya Bron fans can't comprehend stats and see the bias or ya just pretending cuz ya embarrassed. Probably both :lolbron: Many of ya also pretending like Bron didn't leave Cleveland and formed a super-team, lost to Mavs :mjlol: then came back to Cleveland after the Heat started to fade. Also, Lebron is playing in the weak ass eastern conference. Lebron is also 3-8 in the Finals. Kobe never left the Lakers, that also counts more. There are also many players who pick Kobe over Lebron, I guess ya all know more than them. :mjlol:
 
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You people are so fukking stupid. On a treadmill with these retard ass arguments. Everyone in this thread who is seriously arguing this shyt, you all are worthless people and I hope you get radiation to the nuts so you either can't have kids or they come out (even more) retarded.
Wishing this on anyone you gotta get a neg for this one.
 
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