Where does the idea people who oppose socialism at the bottom are for it at the top come from.
I oppose all of it.
Anti-Capitalism: Trendy but Wrong
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I oppose all of it.
Nope...
I would put Cato in the title.
How so?"The market" as a concept is fundamentally flawed, because it doesn't exist.
At least not in the way libertarians describe it.
There exists no pure free market in any economy in the world, nor has a free market ever been shown to exist. The "free market" in the same category as pure "socialism"; it has never existed in practice.
Regulation is a necessary component of reinforcing equity and protecting consumers and businesses from unfair competition and abusive business practices. While economist note that there is a correlation between economic freedom for business and overall positive economic health, that does not mean that regulation becomes less important. There is a balance.
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Before i even clicked on this thread i knew the article would mention Venezuela. You guys are a broken record.
As far as OP goes and the reactions, why are we trying to have a nuanced approach to what the anticapitalist left actually means when they don't do that themselves?
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don't know if I would say a free market has never existed...just think it really only exists at a lowlevel
well here's the thing. who is the real devil. the devil's workers or the devil himself?
I'll expand. you know what some people's reasoning for voting for trump was? "well at least he's not a shady politician"
wait. do these people not understand how politics work in the US.
The politician at times starts off in their career as well meaning(some just want the money and fame-Mayor Pete). But the end result is usually the same for most of them. they stay around long enough and the rich/elite/corporations will keep lobbying them, while making threats to back their opponents in races and making promises to endorse them as well if they do A, B, and C with the laws in order to make life easier for said elites/corporations.
Said politician then pushes the agenda of the rich/corporations.
Things get past into law or things get cut out of previous laws to regulate these industries. and next thing you know, the american pie is lopsided. a small few has a ton of money while the rest of us are broke to just ok.
again, who's worse? the devil or his workers?
The DEVIL dummies. you never vote for trump or bloomberg. They are who the politicians you hate are working on behalf of...you idiots.
So to your point Dead, you think its too much state intervention. it is, you know why? because the big boys are making those request. they want them to intervene in order to make it easier for them to operate in addition to closing the door on others similar to them so they can have a monopoly. and as usual control everything in that arena and hoard everything if they so well choose. thats not the way we are supposed to be running american capitalism. thats the thing that the originators warned us about capitalism.
This is again why you need to sprinkle a bit more socialism seasoning into the gumbo. we've gone way to far to that capitalism side of things.
and watch this. this is a question do you want to be ruled by(those who make up the rules) CEOS and elites or the government? i will prefer the government because guess who i get to vote in and vote out? the government, i can't do that to a ceo. he/she can stay in power for 70 years. that is authoritarian.
The draw back to having the government rule. is as we've learned, the voters are not all that smart when it comes to knowing whats going on for real.but guess who wants to dumb them down? you say the government. i say the elite/corporations. why? so they can continue to prop themselves up and steal all of our wealth while our eyes are closed. The government is just enticed by the fortunes that can be provided by the rich/elite class and how that can push their nominations. but if you get that out of the equation. no more elections with super pacs or donors. everyone gets the same amt of money to spend based on american tax dollars set aside from elections, locally, and federal. all of a sudden Pete B. never wants to be a politician because there's no money in it. which is exactly what we want. we want people who are not in it for the cash and the glory.
we the people have more control over the government than we ever will over a ceo and a corporation. UNLESS a bernie type of person gets in office and a few more in congress and you pass laws to force companies to have regular people on their boards like they do in some other socialist countries. this makes for a much fairer setup for all.
Agreed, and bookmarked. Will quote this whenever the free market(which doesnt exist) is blamed.Where we probably go in different directions, is I don't believe government should monopolize any sector of the economy, they should only regulate, and tax.
Regulation means the market isn't free though.
Where we probably go in different directions, is I don't believe government should monopolize any sector of the economy, they should only regulate, and tax.
So what's your point?
Being pro capitalism isn't being against regulation, or boot-licking... its about recognizing over regulation, regulatory capture, white supremacy, and the governments inability to efficiently allocate resources.
No one on this board(that im aware of) has ever stated they want a "free market".
To this day i don't understand how black men can 
for the Amerikkkan government every time its slandered.
Your issue is with state capitalism and cronyism... we agree on the problem, the solution is where we differ.
I asked someone else, and ill ask you, how does more government solve the problem when the rich control government?
when the regulation are written and ok'd by those being regulated how does writing more help?
When they can simply buy politicians and overturn anything passed by "good politicians" ie citizens united, what have you solved?
you're asking the incorrect question and i think you know you're asking the incorrect question. only a dumb person would ask for more of what they already have.Your issue is with state capitalism and cronyism... we agree on the problem, the solution is where we differ.
I asked someone else, and ill ask you, how does more government solve the problem when the rich control government?
when the regulation are written and ok'd by those being regulated how does writing more help?
When they can simply buy politicians and overturn anything passed by "good politicians" ie citizens united, what have you solved?
which progressive movement is requesting more joe bidens and more nancy pelosi? non of them.
people are asking for these corporate dems and corporate republicans to get the boot completely. of course we all know this would not happen over night. but that is the true ask. get rid of all corporate dems and corporate repubs. and put in people that understand capitalism alone isnt bad but that it needs to be held in check and that check is the government. a big company making 100's of millions of dollars to billions does not need the government to give it even more corporate welfare. they are doing just fine. the companies need protection from one another more so than protections from regular joes and janes.