Any Gnostics round here?

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Very interesting perspective! Definitely something to ponder on.

The part about earth experience being training wheels though is something I can't fully accept as fact.

I mean, I get what you're implying. That earth is a classroom preparing us for our own untapped potential, but what is it off any significance that we really learn as we grow into adulthood that we unlearn as children?

Hold up though, I'm about to open my laptop and maybe my thoughts will be more clear when I'm not swyping on my phone.
 
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I lost my train of thought for a second but while it's fresh in my mind I just want to point out that the new testament in the Bible considered the God and Ruler of this world to be a corrupt and evil being. I'll post quotes in a little bit.
 

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I have questions. Especially for those who consider themselves Christian Gnostics. How does this work? Do y'all consider Yahweh or Jehovah to be the Demiurge? If so, how do you pray and who do you pray to (Sophia?)? Is there any point in prayer or is knowledge/ gnosis the only path to "salvation"?

How do the lost books of the Bible fit into the equation?
Have you read the texts themselves?

Have you read Elaine Pagels?
 

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One thing people gotta know before reading these is that the lack of "gnostic" influence on our common understanding of the NT is not necessarily some devious conspiracy

In the first century and the patristic era, there was a PR war fought between different groups of believers and the guys who became what we call today the catholic and orthodox churches won. So their teachings survived and are prominent in our social spheres, and the losers' aren't

Catholic councils didn't really hide the fact that they edited scripture's table of contents. They just said that shyt was wack, we don't want it
 

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One thing people gotta know before reading these is that the lack of "gnostic" influence on our common understanding of the NT is not necessarily some devious conspiracy

In the first century and the patristic era, there was a PR war fought between different groups of believers and the guys who became what we call today the catholic and orthodox churches won. So their teachings survived and are prominent in our social spheres, and the losers' aren't

Catholic councils didn't really hide the fact that they edited scripture's table of contents. They just said that shyt was wack, we don't want it
You're a Jew. What do you know about me? (besides the fact y'all made me up):whistle:
 
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There are spirit-less agents working for the Demiurge (pneumatics) whose sole purpose on this earth is to keep the truth hidden.

So my bad for inserting the Bible into this so early in the discussion. The Bible is not the blueprint. All the double speak in its text just opens up portals for more confusion.

Now let me figure out how to redirect the discussion.
 
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The text I linked addresses both the "training wheels" situation and the manipulative entities.

The books that were transcribed and uploaded onto that page describe 2 archetypal modes of existence that form the primary paths to higher consciousness: service to others ("good") and service to self ("evil"). 3D is a testing ground where entities are required to walk either of the paths at a deep level in order to enter the higher densities (dimensions) of time-space (as opposed to space-time) upon the illusion of physical death (which is really just a transition state). This is what the Biblical Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil alluded to: the choice between the paths.

Beings who live their lives in ignorance / indifference / spiritual sleep simply reincarnate over and over until they commit to one of the paths. There is much nuance and gray area there; to truly walk either of the paths requires much dedication, and a person's path cannot quite be judged by societal standards, or outer appearance. It typically takes multiple lifetimes for one to fully refine their chosen path, before the training wheels are taken off.

In 4D and above, there are the positive higher dimensions (service to others, some may consider this analogous to heaven) and the negative ones (service to self, some may consider this analogous to hell). Time flows non-linearly in the higher dimensions, and the laws of physics are not as they exist in the 3rd. In these planes of existence, the boundaries between thoughts and reality are different than 3D. Manifestations are more instantaneous.

The difference between the positive and negative higher dimensions is this: positive higher dimensional entities spend their existence seeking to increase harmony with those around them, and give aid to lower dimensional entities seeking guidance, as long as it does not violate free will, or other universal laws.

Negative higher dimensional entities are in a constant state of war, turmoil, and manipulation, utilizing the higher dimensional manifestation powers to create "weapons of light." They also attack the minds and health of 3D denizens, seek to manipulate them into darkness by telepathically implanting thoughts and emotions, and sometimes attempt full conversions to "evil" (there are also universal laws that keep them from taking it too far). This is far more chaotic, but it is still a valid higher dimensional consciousness, due to the power of thought in these realms.

Keep in mind that I'm only giving a brief summary / my interpretation of a few of the points in the text, but I find it to be the most accurate and logical explanation of the spiritual I've come across. I've read many texts on these subjects, both mainstream and esoteric (including The Forbidden Religion), and none have been as consistent or resonated with me as much as the Law of One. There is much more that I did not write about here.

It's also still possible to utilize thought and energy to manifest certain phenomena while still in 3D. Not going to speak on it now though.
 
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I know certain tidbits in regards to this: The Peacock Angel Sefirot(s) of Nothingness in regards to the Kabbalah YET i still consider myself to be a "neophyte." The 8-Fold Path of Gnosis

If anyone has any pdfs let me know or just put them in my inbox.
 

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One of the most interesting things about the Gnostics is how suppressed they were. Dudes were almost totally written out of history till them scrolls popped up and even then there was loads of behind the scenes heat about their contents getting out.

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Define Gnostic for me brehs seriously
Copy and pasted from another thread I posted in

Gnostics believe in God
But the God they believe is not the typical religious God
From the Gnostic perspective, the solution to the problem of evil is that god itself is evil
To the gnostics, God, aka the Demiurge, is a lower level emanation of the true god, Monad
Monad (the source) is what Gnostics believe in
There are infinite but continuously lesser than emanations of Monad (aeons)
The Demiurge emanated from a much higher level aeon called Sophia
The Demiurge created the physical universe (the big bang probably) and all of its timelines as well as all possible dimensions it can exist in
The Demiurge may or may not be aware of higher emanations
Personally I think the Demiurge is evil and the concepts of good and evil are actually transcendental forces of reality
Ultimately the Demiurge is needed for the spirit to have a physical experience and the spirit is trapped here via karma that is reinforced through reincarnation
Most Gnostic teachings were destroyed/altered/suppressed and many Gnostic teachers were severely tortured and killed off
Ancient Gnostics most likely experimented w/ psychedelics and cannabis to gain spiritual insight into concepts such as the Demiurge

Knowing the Gnostic perspective, it doesn't have to be believed but it cannot be unlearned
It makes sense to me and explains why the world is the way it is and why Gnostic knowledge was severely suppressed and its teachers/leaders killed
 
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