Any Gnostics round here?

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Very interesting perspective! Definitely something to ponder on.

The part about earth experience being training wheels though is something I can't fully accept as fact.

I mean, I get what you're implying. That earth is a classroom preparing us for our own untapped potential, but what is it off any significance that we really learn as we grow into adulthood that we unlearn as children?

Hold up though, I'm about to open my laptop and maybe my thoughts will be more clear when I'm not swyping on my phone.

Speaking from a spirtual perspective, I believe the earth experience is a trap
People's spirits are trapped here via karma and they come back via reincarnation
Not for learning but for suffering and whatever the Demiurge is uses that suffering for something
This is why the gnostic perspective appeals to me. It exposes the fact that there is something not right with the world by design

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Going to keep this thread alive
A completely suppressed belief system that needs more light

Nobody suppressed gnosticism. It had it's day about 1500 years ago and died because it was less coherent than Christianity upon which it was based. Only people keeping it alive are astrophysicists, movie/TV directors, sci-fi writers, and authors like Dan Brown.

Hell, the Alien prequel movies were both gnostic expositions.​

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Nobody suppressed gnosticism. It had it's day about 1500 years ago and died because it was less coherent than Christianity upon which it was based. Only people keeping it alive are astrophysicists, movie/TV directors, sci-fi writers, and authors like Dan Brown.​

gnostics were killed off and tortured with entire scripts/libraries/etc. destroyed

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

gnostics were killed off and tortured with entire scripts/libraries/etc. destroyed
the gnostic knowledge is incomplete as a result

Bull. Gnosticism didn't really start until the 4th/5th Century CE. The ONLY text that might be concurrent with Christianity is the Gospel of Thomas and only because it was originally written in Greek. There were early stirrings in the pre-Christian era in Egypt, but NOTHING that would really separate a Gnostic from a Christian for 400 years.

If you read any gnostic literature, it ALL quotes the NT.​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

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This is just a small portion of a 7-hour presentation that completely breaks-down Gnosticism.​

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Bull. Gnosticism didn't really start until the 4th/5th Century CE. The ONLY text that might be concurrent with Christianity is the Gospel of Thomas and only because it was originally written in Greek. There were early stirrings in the pre-Christian era in Egypt, but NOTHING that would really separate a Gnostic from a Christian for 400 years.

If you read any gnostic literature, it ALL quotes the NT.​

nah
there is more to Gnosticism and IT IS NOT A FORM OF CHRISTIANITY
there are no concepts such as "the monad", "sophia", "emanations", "aeons", "archons" etc. in the NT

or the solution to the problem of evil = the demiurge (god of this world)
the belief system of Gnosticism was summarized in a post I made responding to another poster
and its belief system does not align w/ Christian belief about the nature of God or the nature of the world
I expect most push back will come from Christians so I'm not getting in an endless back and forth with you sending me snippets of 7 hour videos of Christians who view Gnosticism as heresy

 

[Rollo Goodlove]

I actually have seen the demiurge

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

I actually have seen the demiurge

psychedelic trip?

 

[Rollo Goodlove]

psychedelic trip?

A dream.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

A dream.

Drop details breh
What did it look like?
What was it doing?
What was your dream?

 

[Rollo Goodlove]

Drop details breh
What did it look like?
What was it doing?
What was your dream?

I can't say to much but gnosticism is real.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

nah
there is more to Gnosticism and IT IS NOT A FORM OF CHRISTIANITY
there are no concepts such as "the monad", "sophia", "emanations", "aeons", "archons" etc. in the NT

Gnosticism is derived from Christianity. The gnostic texts ALL quote the New Testament. Gnostics combined Christianity with Egyptian belief systems and tried to make sense of 'Trinitarianism' by positing Jesus as an aeon and YHWH as the 'Demiurge'. That's why those terms don't appear in Christian texts. 'Archon' does appear, however, and it means 'leaders'. The serpent in the Garden of Eden is actually a force for 'good' and YHWH created humanity as slaves. 'Maria' took pity on Adam and imbued him with 'divine essence'. 'Eve' didn't get any of it so gnostics view women as inferior.

Gnostics were competitive with Christians for a while, but there was never any wholesale slaughter of them nor destruction of their texts since they really were never cohesive. Their texts are a confused jumble of ideas and bad theological reasoning.

The dude I posted has read and studied ALL the Gnostic texts in their original languages. I have read a few in-translation. I am not a Christian. He is, but viewed the texts from an academic, objective perspective.

He doesn't view gnosticism as an 'evil' cult or anything like that. They were trying to parse the message of the NT and just didn't put enough thought into it.
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[SATAN]

Gnoc em out the box, Rick
Gnoc em out, Rick
Gnoc em out the box, Rick
Gnoc em out, Rick
Gnoc, gnoc, gnoc gnoc gnoc em out, Rick

I did it all for the gnocchi

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Gnosticism is derived from Christianity. The gnostic texts ALL quote the New Testament. Gnostics combined Christianity with Egyptian belief systems and tried to make sense of 'Trinitarianism' by positing Jesus as an aeon and YHWH as the 'Demiurge'. That's why those terms don't appear in Christian texts. 'Archon' does appear, however, and it means 'leaders'. The serpent in the Garden of Eden is actually a force for 'good' and YHWH created humanity as slaves. 'Maria' took pity on Adam and imbued him with 'divine essence'. 'Eve' didn't get any of it so gnostics view women as inferior.

Gnostics were competitive with Christians for a while, but there was never any wholesale slaughter of them nor destruction of their texts since they really were never cohesive. Their texts are a confused jumble of ideas and bad theological reasoning.

The dude I posted has read and studied ALL the Gnostic texts in their original languages. I have read a few in-translation. I am not a Christian. He is, but viewed the texts from an academic, objective perspective.

He doesn't view gnosticism as an 'evil' cult or anything like that. They were trying to parse the message of the NT and just didn't put enough thought into it.
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nah
you're misconstruing Gnosticism by using a christian w/ his 7 hour presentations
every christian like this guy who knows about Gnosticism tries to frame gnosticism as coming from Christianity from the NT but that's not the case
And yes gnostics were killed off and many of their texts/libraries destroyed
i'm not going to discuss this any further w/ you because you keep referring to this guy and repeating the same talking points
don't bother responding

 

[Mindfield333]

I probably missed this thread because it came after I was really into this type of thing. Still interesting