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And yes gnostics were killed off and many of their texts/libraries destroyed

The only confirmed mass killing of gnostics happened during the Albigensian Crusades, when the Cathars were slaughtered en masse. If they were "killed off" before then, it was more through mob violence and localized efforts than any explicit effort to crush the movement. The sole instances I can think of that might have involved the mass deaths of gnostics would be during the Decian and Diocletlanic persecutions, when they were swept up in the general tide of anti-Christian sentiment.

I don't think it's a case of "texts/libraries" being destroyed as it is a case of the texts merely being ignored. The number of gnostic texts was never that high; and given that the main mode of copying and distribution of written texts was by monasteries, it stands to reason that they didn't need to engage in active measures. Just copy the texts they felt like copying by the authors they wanted to copy (i.e. Origen, Justin Martyr, Tertullian), and ignore everything and everyone else that didn't fit their particular theology.
 
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The only confirmed mass killing of gnostics happened during the Albigensian Crusades, when the Cathars were slaughtered en masse. If they were "killed off" before then, it was more through mob violence and localized efforts than any explicit effort to crush the movement. The sole instances I can think of that might have involved the mass deaths of gnostics would be during the Decian and Diocletlanic persecutions, when they were swept up in the general tide of anti-Christian sentiment.

I don't think it's a case of "texts/libraries" being destroyed as it is a case of the texts merely being ignored. The number of gnostic texts was never that high; and given that the main mode of copying and distribution of written texts was by monasteries, it stands to reason that they didn't need to engage in active measures. Just copy the texts they felt like copying by the authors they wanted to copy (i.e. Origen, Justin Martyr, Tertullian), and ignore everything and everyone else that didn't fit their particular theology.
If you are not interested in gnostic ideas then go to another thread
 

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Deep_Black_Conscious said:
nah
you're misconstruing Gnosticism by using a christian w/ his 7 hour presentations
every christian like this guy who knows about Gnosticism tries to frame gnosticism as coming from Christianity from the NT but that's not the case
And yes gnostics were killed off and many of their texts/libraries destroyed
i'm not going to discuss this any further w/ you because you keep referring to this guy and repeating the same talking points
don't bother responding

I'm responding anyway since you, obviously, haven't read the texts yourself even though they've been readily available online for years. As far as 'mischaracterization' of the texts/belief system, that's a laughable objection. Gnostics weren't hunted down and their libraries weren't destroyed or any such thing. No one really cared about them.

Even Pagans ignored them.​
 

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This is another published scholar by the name of Larry Hurtado who has studied gnostic texts extensively in the original languages......​

Another feature of the “Bible Hunters” programme (part 2) that caught my attention was the reference to ancient “gnostic” Christians as “intellectuals.” That was very funny, really. Just read the relevant texts, which are readily available in English translation: James M. Robinson (ed.), The Nag Hammadi Library in English, 3rd rev. ed. (Leiden/New York: Brill, 1988)

It’s perhaps a natural mistake for people who haven’t read the texts, given that “gnostic” comes from the Greek word “gnosis”, which means “knowledge.” But in the case of those called “gnostics,” the kind of “knowledge” that they sought wasn’t “intellectual,” but (to put it kindly) what we might term “esoteric,” secretive truths expressed typically in cryptic, riddling form, deliberately intended to make little sense as expressed. Put unkindly, one might characterize it as a bunch of “mumbo-jumbo” with no attempt to present them reasonably and in terms of the intellectual climate of the time.

But there was substance. They tended, for example, to project the view that the world and all therein was evil, deceptive, ensnaring, and so to be rejected or at least minimized so far as possible. So, e.g., women were to avoid giving birth, as this only imprisoned souls in this mire. Instead, they were to “become male” and cease “the work of women,” i.e., live celibate. (Hardly the elevation of women some people erroneously ascribe to “gnostic” circles.)

Their aim and approach, however, wasn’t “intellectual.” They didn’t seek to understand through inquiry and argumentation. They didn’t seek to project and commend their views through patient exposition, argumentation, and the exercise of rational thinking. These were people who may well have imagined that they had some sort of superiority spiritually, i.e., the sort of souls (and they were really interested only in their souls) that regarded themselves as by nature more attuned to divine things perhaps, certainly superior to “mere” Christians.

For them, the ordinary beliefs/claims of Christian faith seemed . . . too elemental, even foolish. “God so loved the world,” “Jesus died for our sins and rose again for our salvation,” etc., these all apparently seemed . . . well, dull. It appears that ordinary Christian ideas just didn’t tickle their fancy, didn’t scratch their itch. They needed something more titillating in their view. They seem to have thought, “This can’t be it. There must be some secretive truths that we alone are worthy to find.”
 
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This is another published scholar by the name of Larry Hurtado who has studied gnostic texts extensively in the original languages......​
you've quoted all CHRISTIAN scholars who all paint Gnosticism in this way
Gnosticism is a diverse category of beliefs, but the term is generally applied to Christian Gnostics in the first few centuries AD
The Nag Hammadi found in the middle of nowhere in a desert years ago, is the closest thing to a Gnostic bible
There are many different sects and philosophies within Gnosticism but they share the same fundamental beliefs about the nature of this world
Gnosticism is not esoteric Christianity, it's an entirely different spiritual tradition
 
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