Anybody ever listen to illmatic and think damn this shyt is wack

[bigbadbossup2012]

Soooo...does everybody get a 20th anniversary special movie made about their "wack" album? And then that movie get's picked up by Showtime? Excuse me, their "wack" album that only sold 59K it's first week? It's ok lil homie, I'm sure there are people out there who believe Michael Jordan was a scrub and Bill Gates is broke. Everybody is entitled to some lunacy in their lives.

No just a nikka with inflated props that flopped badly after getting 5 mics.
Michael jordan's stats,rings and trophies are documented
Bill gates money is documented
Illmatic's sales are documented too and dont belonge mentioned next to these great success stories.

The album debuted at #12 on the U.S. Billboard 200 chart, selling 59,000 copies in its first week. However, its initial sales fell below expectations and its five singles failed to achieve significant chart success. Despite the album's low initial sales, Illmatic received rave reviews from most music critics, who praised its production and Nas' lyricism. On January 17, 1996, the album was certifiedGold by the Recording Industry Association of America, and on December 11, 2001 it earned a Platinum certification after shipping one million copies in the United States.

The rating did not come without its share of controversy.[80] Reginald Dennis described to the reaction that followed Minya Oh's review: "I was happy, Jon was happy, Nas was happy, everybody was happy — except for all of the people who felt that The Chronic should have also gotten a 5."[78] Only two years prior, Dr. Dre's groundbreaking The Chronic failed to earn the coveted rating, despite redefining the musical landscape of hip hop. It was later revealed that while everybody at the magazine knew it was an instant classic, they decided to comply with the strict policy of staying away from a perfect rating.[81] Subsequently, when Nas's album was exempted from this moratorium, many fans pointed to this decision as a confirmation of journalistic bias towardsEast Coast hip hop.


I guess i'm supposed to value the bias mic rating over the reaction the general public had,well naw i dont agree

 

[10:31]

i mean its only hyped up by Internet nerds but no one bumps that shyt it real life. Nothing stands out about that album like a reasonable doubt, not to mention its filled with basic ass rhymes (some that don't make sense) whereas reasonable doubt is filled with metaphors, double meanings, and just overall vibes better.

smh.. nah son

can we delete this thread

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

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[Kyle C. Barker]

Having a historical presence in media can create word of mouth

That sort of marketing is only good for an initial push.

and personally I don't think people like it that much.

I personally think you're letting your emotions blind you to the fact that plenty of people do like it. There's plenty of qualitative evidence on this site alone that people love that shyt.

Took 7 years to hit plat and nothing since then other debuts from that year like biggie and bone at 4mil and Warren g it's at around three million

I highly doubt illmatic's source rating helped it reach platinum status 7 years after the fact. What's that 2001? That's 5 years after IWW dropped. How effective do you actually think these marketing campaigns are? you think a 5 mic rating is gonna help illmatic sell half a million copies between 96-2001 when it dropped in 1994? naw that's the result of a word of mouth campaign finally making it's rounds.

Also I'm glad we're talking about warren g and bone and how they sold 3-4 times as many records as nas' illmatic. Why? because we get to to talk about statistics.

So statistically speaking, if the same percentage of people had the same amount of affinity for warren g's "regulate/g funk era" and bones "creepin on da come up" as a lot of people do for illmatic, wouldn't it be safe to say that we would be talking about the previously two mentioned albums 3/4 times as much as we do illmatic? I mean you'd think so because eventually the law of averages would eventually take over; it always does.

Instead of a 1000+ page thread on nas we'd have a 3000/4000 page threads about bone thugs and Warren G. We'd be getting a daily g funk thread as opposed to an illmatic one.


But the reality is that we don't.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

That sort of marketing is only good for an initial push.



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I agree,but it's been celebrated through the years and talked up as an event despite falling flat when it was released

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

I personally think you're letting your emotions blind you to the fact that plenty of people do like it. There's plenty of qualitative evidence on this site alone that people love that shyt.




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Not at all. My household was one of the few that owned illmatic in 1994. i only like a few songs but after hearing it talked up through the mid late nineties, i bought the cd of it around the turn of the century to re listen as a grown man. It was still boring to me
I've never heard anyone bumping illmatic and have never had one personally praise it in my entire life.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Also I'm glad we're talking about warren g and bone and how they sold 3-4 times as many records as nas' illmatic. Why? because we get to to talk about statistics.

So statistically speaking, if the same percentage of people had the same amount of affinity for warren g's "regulate/g funk era" and bones "creepin on da come up" as a lot of people do for illmatic, wouldn't it be safe to say that we would be talking about the previously two mentioned albums 3/4 times as much as we do illmatic? I mean you'd think so because eventually the law of averages would eventually take over; it always does.

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Not at all. Illmatic has been bigged up and labeled a potential goat album for years. Despite the varying members,this is pretty much an east coast forum. East coast albums get labeled classic left and right on here,despite not selling well. Other guys get thrown in the regional classic box.

A better question would be why is this album that has been talked up so much,critical acclaim,documentary's about it and still way behind in record sales than other debut projects from the same time frame that dont even remotely have the same media push.
Why isnt that impact being verified via financial support by the fans?
But we know why. It's a farce.

 

[Bolzmark]

No just a nikka with inflated props that flopped badly after getting 5 mics.
Michael jordan's stats,rings and trophies are documented
Bill gates money is documented
Illmatic's sales are documented too and dont belonge mentioned next to these great success stories.

The album debuted at #12 on the U.S. Billboard 200 chart, selling 59,000 copies in its first week. However, its initial sales fell below expectations and its five singles failed to achieve significant chart success. Despite the album's low initial sales, Illmatic received rave reviews from most music critics, who praised its production and Nas' lyricism. On January 17, 1996, the album was certifiedGold by the Recording Industry Association of America, and on December 11, 2001 it earned a Platinum certification after shipping one million copies in the United States.

The rating did not come without its share of controversy.[80] Reginald Dennis described to the reaction that followed Minya Oh's review: "I was happy, Jon was happy, Nas was happy, everybody was happy — except for all of the people who felt that The Chronic should have also gotten a 5."[78] Only two years prior, Dr. Dre's groundbreaking The Chronic failed to earn the coveted rating, despite redefining the musical landscape of hip hop. It was later revealed that while everybody at the magazine knew it was an instant classic, they decided to comply with the strict policy of staying away from a perfect rating.[81] Subsequently, when Nas's album was exempted from this moratorium, many fans pointed to this decision as a confirmation of journalistic bias towardsEast Coast hip hop.


I guess i'm supposed to value the bias mic rating over the reaction the general public had,well naw i dont agree

I mean if you are going to base your opinion on sales, there is nothing left to be said. I've been a part of this hip hop culture for a while longer than you and I know how little sales actually means to the quality of an album. But if that's what you feel is important, do you.

Mic rating?. Man the streets and the culture had already ruled Illmatic a classic way before that Source issue dropped. Like I told you, it was all over the place months before it came out.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

I mean if you are going to base your opinion on sales, there is nothing left to be said. I've been a part of this hip hop culture for a while longer than you and I know how little sales actually means to the quality of an album. But if that's what you feel is important, do you.

Mic rating?. Man the streets and the culture had already ruled Illmatic a classic way before that Source issue dropped. Like I told you, it was all over the place months before it came out.

Lol by streets you mean queens bridge ?
I dont think it's wack cause of sales,i think it's wack cause it's repetitive and boring.
The sales are used to point out the lack of impact in an accurate fashion

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

WARREN G
Title: REGULATE ... G FUNK ERA
Certification Date:August 1, 1995
Label: VIOLATOR/RAL
Format: ALBUM
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Release Date.June 7, 1994
Category: SOLO
Type: Standard
Certified Units: 3 Million
Genre: None
Previous Certification:
3x Multi-Platinum | August 1, 1995
2x Multi-Platinum | August 24, 1994
Platinum | August 24, 1994
Gold | August 24, 1994

When you really killing 1994

 

[Art Barr]

Are we all gonna pretend like illmatic wasn't a flop in 94?

Apply jiggy semantics to a time before you were cognitive and before they were introduced by sellouts.
So they could erroneously pull up and compare a culture.
to some cac ass system of sales to monetize and steal a cultural business, breh.

Talking about sales in regards to culture = sellout cac talk used by sellout nikkaz

Art Barr

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Apply jiggy semantics to a time before you were cognitive and before they were introduced by sellouts.
So they could erroneously pull up and compare a culture.
to some cac ass system of sales to monetize and steal a cultural business, breh.

Talking about sales in regards to culture = sellout cac talk used by sellout nikkaz

Art Barr

So it's not cool to talk about sales in regards to an artist that has given up his Masters, publishing etc for a major record deals? Isn't that the game they decided to play?

 

[Kitsune]

most of my favorite albums i didn't really fukk with initially, and most of the easily accessible music i come across tend to lack replay value and lasting appeal

 

[Banned Account12]

The Booth continues to be the Achilles leg of thecoli

 

[Bolzmark]

Lol by streets you mean queens bridge ?
I dont think it's wack cause of sales,i think it's wack cause it's repetitive and boring.
The sales are used to point out the lack of impact in an accurate fashion

Illmatic had a lack of an impact? Uhhhhh, ok. Well, I'm sure as you can see, most in the hip hop culture would disagree with you. How many hip hop albums do you know of have actually garnered enough attention and respect that they got their own documentary released in theatres? Particularly one that as you said, did not go platinum for 7 years? Almost makes you think sales don't mean that much...