Are Black Christians Grateful for Slavery/Colonization?

[Benefited]

because at the end of the day religion has done more harm than good on our planet no matter how well intentioned and good the people might be...
If I'm an a$$hole for being so blunt about people's stupidity then I be that...

It isn't vitriolic or hateful it's just fact. we would accomplish more if humanity focused on science and bettering and helping other people but religion and the people behind it wield power based on a lie. a lie to confuse and control the masses and you expect me to be nice about it???

Our people have been abused, tortured and kidnapped and was made to live on the bottom rung of the social strata in this country for years and you expect me to be happy that our enslavers turn around and preach from the same bible when worldwide I see idiots being led to slaughter over religion, being forced to fight in wars over this religion shyt, and you expect me to be nice about it??? Never... I will never be nice about my idea on religion for as long as I live...

Religion can burn in hell for all I care...

I'm not concerned with the rest of the world,but you might still be in slavery right now if it wasn't for religion,yet you are here talking like a real big shot

Do you idiots really think if it wasn't for religion,black people would have been cutting cacs heads off left and right,and taking over America through violence?nice fantasy.

Non believers are the most passive of all. Any black man who has adopted athiesm has surely adopted a european mindset and will happily assimilate into white society. Don't be fooled black people,this athiest who want you to ignore your spirituality just want you to become more like europeans.

 

[Van Cleef]

You claim to have an issue with religion, but as the saying goes, your hypocrisy is so blinding that you hold ignorance as bliss because atheism has killed more in the name of intellectual progress, nationalism, and science than religion ever has.

But because you're a dumb/smart person you failed to understand that one of the bloodiest wars in history (WW2) was because of atheism and nationalism, not religion.

You're a hypocrite.

Do you believe that God is against white supremacy? If so how long does he intends to let it continue?

 

[Samori Toure]

Just what it says on the box.

Our people weren't Christians before being physically and psychologically invaded by Europeans. Given that people don't willingly just convert to different religions en masse, it's a safe bet that we wouldn't be Christian today.

Given that a core Christian tenet is that believers go to heaven and non-believers to hell, would it not rationally follow that they would prefer slavery->heaven over freedom->hell? Would they view it akin to a surgical procedure, a painful but necessary process?

Educate me my pious brehs and brehettes.

OP you might want to do a little research before making presumptions about who and what the Africans were that came to the Western Hemisphere. Almost half of all slaves came from the areas around the Kingdom of Kongo and Angola. The Kingdom of Kongo became Christian in 1491, which was even before Columbus got lost and stumbled into the Americas.

African Christianity in Kongo | Essay | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art

 

[Lamar Givens]

Do you believe that God is against white supremacy? If so how long does he intends to let it continue?

White supremacy is the seed of Satan.

I believe God has given black people the necessary tools and intellect to change the world.

Think about black spending power, the ingenuity we create and other cultures steal from us and profit.

We have to come together as a people.

He said it in the Old Testament to the Hebrews. Obey me collectively and prosper. Disobey me collectively and suffer.

For some reason a lot of black people do not want to grasp the consequences of the disobedient aspect.

 

[Lamar Givens]

OP you might want to do a little research before making presumptions about who and what the Africans were that came to the Western Hemisphere. Almost half of all slaves came from the areas around the Kingdom of Kongo and Angola. The Kingdom of Kongo became Christian in 1491, which was even before Columbus got lost and stumbled into the Americas.

African Christianity in Kongo | Essay | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art

It's funny how OP and others want to shyt on Christianity, but I always wonder why is it no one mentions how the pagan deities Africans faithfully worshipped just allowed them to go into captivity without lifting a fing...oh, oh shyt cognitive dissonance...

 

[JahFocus CS]

They have to be; otherwise, how would their heathen ancestors have an opportunity to be saved by Jeebus? Without slavery/colonization, they'd be condemned to eternal hellfire from the day they were born cuz they'd never hear the Word

 

[Van Cleef]

Any black man who has adopted athiesm has surely adopted a european mindset and will happily assimilate into white society. Don't be fooled black people,this athiest who want you to ignore your spirituality just want you to become more like europeans.

What people who become atheist because of white society? I don't see how not believing in god means you will assimilate into white society.

 

[Van Cleef]

It's funny how OP and others want to shyt on Christianity, but I always wonder why is it no one mentions how the pagan deities Africans faithfully worshipped just allowed them to go into captivity without lifting a fing...oh, oh shyt cognitive dissonance...

This just confirms that believing in deities and superstitions makes people docile.

 

[MarcMan]

OP you might want to do a little research before making presumptions about who and what the Africans were that came to the Western Hemisphere. Almost half of all slaves came from the areas around the Kingdom of Kongo and Angola. The Kingdom of Kongo became Christian in 1491, which was even before Columbus got lost and stumbled into the Americas.

African Christianity in Kongo | Essay | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art

My understanding is that they merged Christian concepts with their then current religious beliefs. In other words they worshiped many gods. As I understand it, and correct me if I'm mistaken, Christianity requires an exclusive belief in Jesus. Or in his own words, "“I am the living God, The Way and The Truth and The Life; no man comes to my Father but by me alone.”

That we would be practicing Christianity as we are today without slavery/colonization is extremely unlikely.

Also, the reason that the majority of Southern Africa is Christian today is not due to a (debated) link between the Kingdom of Kongo and Christianity.

 

[DPresidential]

This just confirms that believing in deities and superstitions makes people docile.

Interesting.

We have examples of religion making people docile and we have evidence of it providing immeasurable strength.

Are there examples of what atheist societies function as?

 

[ORDER_66]

I'm not concerned with the rest of the world,but you might still be in slavery right now if it wasn't for religion,yet you are here talking like a real big shot

Do you idiots really think if it wasn't for religion,black people would have been cutting cacs heads off left and right,and taking over America through violence?nice fantasy.

Non believers are the most passive of all. Any black man who has adopted athiesm has surely adopted a european mindset and will happily assimilate into white society. Don't be fooled black people,this athiest who want you to ignore your spirituality just want you to become more like europeans.

WHAT???? what do you think the slave masters used to indoctrinate our forefathers so willingly to STAY ENSLAVED....First they broke their spirits then their minds... What part of indoctrination do YOU not understand???

Who do you think forced religion on our people you fukking dumbass... Every fukking time it's some religious fukking nutjob trying to lecture me on how I feel... fukk you fam...

 

[Samori Toure]

I'm not trolling. Nor do I care to challenge people's religious beliefs. I understand such beliefs are deeply held and personal and as I mentioned I'm agnostic and I won't pretend to know the unknowable. I just think it's a healthy exercise to reflect on why we do the things that we do. Believers tell non-believers all the time not to conflate being religious with being ignorant and I completely agree. If you are Christian just because Mom and/or Dad went to X church over Y church, I can understand how thinking about these things may cause discomfort. But if you are a thinking Christian (and I know many that are) you likely have already chewed over questions such as these. I'm just curious as to what people came up with.

Yet you have somehow conflated the notion of Black people, slavery and Christianity.

Fwiw, the Christianity that you are thinking about is from something called the "Second Great Awakening." That did not occur until roughly 1800 or a little before, when the abolitionist and other protestant groups foisted that on the slaves. The slaves accepted it, because those religious groups and zealots like John Brown openly opposed slavery. So all of this was the run up to the Civil War.
Religious Transformation and the Second Great Awakening [ushistory.org]

Before that time that Second Great Awakening; the slaves were of many different faiths, namely Catholic, Muslim and animists. When you research this stuff a little bit you are going to learn that most of the slave owners in the USA didn't care what religions the slaves had. In fact slave owners used to buy Korans for some of their Muslim slaves and many slave owners were opposed teaching Christianity to the slaves at all; because the slaves thought that being free from their sins meant being free from slavery. So the missionaries agreed to teach the slaves to obey their masters and to receive rewards in Heaven. So of course no slave would agree to that shyt, which is why most slaves didn't convert to Christianity until around the time of the Second Great Awakening; which is when the slaves had a legitimate reason to convert.

 

[Lamar Givens]

My understanding is that they merged Christian concepts with their then current religious beliefs. In other words they worshiped many gods. As I understand it, and correct me if I'm mistaken, Christianity requires an exclusive belief in Jesus. Or in his own words, "“I am the living God, The Way and The Truth and The Life; no man comes to my Father but by me alone.”

That we would be practicing Christianity as we are today without slavery/colonization is extremely unlikely.

Also, the reason that the majority of Southern Africa is Christian today is not due to a (debated) link between the Kingdom of Kongo and Christianity.

What Christianity do you purpose black people would be practicing then? Seeing that 1st century Christianity was in Africa (North) well before then.

 

[Lamar Givens]

This just confirms that believing in deities and superstitions makes people docile.

Malcom X and the NOI would disagree

 

[MarcMan]

It's funny how OP and others want to shyt on Christianity, but I always wonder why is it no one mentions how the pagan deities Africans faithfully worshipped just allowed them to go into captivity without lifting a fing...oh, oh shyt cognitive dissonance...

I can't speak for anyone else but I have no issues with Christianity. It's been used for good and for harm in equal turns. But anything so prevalent in our society should not be beyond any critical thought or reflection.