Article: Larry Bird Was Better Than LeBron

[KOBE]

Marginalized? You mean sharing the ball with other superstars means your role has to be reduced?? Who would have thought?

Making players better doesn't mean you put the ball in the hoop for them. It's like saying James Harden was ''marginalized'' on the Thunder.

Their games were marginalized yet Lebron's stayed in tact.

Harden was marginalized, but that's more to do with the fact he was coming off the bench that what he was doing on the court. He was still able to attack as does now with the Rockets, he just gets a lot more opportunities now. Bosh and Love had to completely change up their games to play with Lebron and even wade(who I know was regressing, but even had he not been) had to end up changing his game to suit Lebron's.

 

[onelastdeath]

Wanna do a Coli cash bet?

Absolutely. If Cleveland goes in healthy against GS or SAS, Im taking Cle to win in 6 in either situation.

Book it.

 

[onelastdeath]

Yea but those are the years it was clear Lebron put everything together.

What does it say that he put up better numbers then Larry ever did, before he put it all together?

 

[Propaganda]

statistically you can't really just compare them 1 to 1 like that without considering the differences in pace and defenses and such.

then we have some empty era biased nonsense about today's game being 'less competitive' and some e-psychologist assuming he knows what's going on in bron's head.

as far as clutch outside shooting goes, no argument, bird is better. but in terms of overall clutch game, it's a lot closer than people would like to admit. bron gets no respect for his clutch play even though he's statistically been one of the best his whole career. also, as far as playoff performances go...i don't think anyone gets a bigger pass than larry...he's had plenty of rough times in the post-season but they're literally all ignored and forgotten. lebron's are all magnified and drive the entire narrative about him and his 'winning mentality'.

and oh look, it's the part where we prop up everything bird did and discredit everything bron did...even to the point where the writer states he played with a "prime ray allen".

come on, that article sucks. i guess there could be an argument made for bird...maybe...but that ain't it.

 

[William F. Russell]

Absolutely. If Cleveland goes in healthy against GS or SAS, Im taking Cle to win in 6 in either situation.

Book it.

@cook @Brooklynzson We have a Coli cash bet.

How much @The II XX ?

 

[onelastdeath]

@cook @Brooklynzson We have a Coli cash bet.

How much @The II XX ?

work on your coli cash till then, ill do the same when im on.

All of it, whatever we have come June.

 

[threattonature]

Offensively I'm taking Bird by a small margin but at their absolute bests Lebron's defense puts him over Bird to me.Right now I ain't mad if someone picks one or the other. Another title or two and it's sealed in Lebron's favor and I'm far from a Lebron fan.

 

[William F. Russell]

statistically you can't really just compare them 1 to 1 like that without considering the differences in pace and defenses and such.

then we have some empty era biased nonsense about today's game being 'less competitive' and some e-psychologist assuming he knows what's going on in bron's head.

as far as clutch outside shooting goes, no argument, bird is better. but in terms of overall clutch game, it's a lot closer than people would like to admit. bron gets no respect for his clutch play even though he's statistically been one of the best his whole career. also, as far as playoff performances go...i don't think anyone gets a bigger pass than larry...he's had plenty of rough times in the post-season but they're literally all ignored and forgotten. lebron's are all magnified and drive the entire narrative about him and his 'winning mentality'.

and oh look, it's the part where we prop up everything bird did and discredit everything bron did...even to the point where the writer states he played with a "prime ray allen".

come on, that article sucks. i guess there could be an argument made for bird...maybe...but that ain't it.

Larry went up against the Bad Boy Pistons and the Chicago Bulls in the East. Those were two of the toughest teams in the league. And despite his struggles with those teams and in the Finals against the Lakers, he still won 3 rings as the main player.

LeBron's shortcomings are magnified because he allows himself to be built up as the greatest of all time. He's the one who tatted himself "The Chosen One". He's the one who initially wore 23 then went to 6 (supposedly out of respect for Jordan but interestingly enough was disrespecting Russell) only to go back to 23. He's the one who called himself "King James". He's the one telling us to "Witness." He's the one who put himself on the NBA's Mount Olympus and again threw shade at Russell. LeBron's post-season struggles get scrutinized because he put all that pressure on himself. He allows himself to be built up as not only the league's best player but the best ever (even though he isn't nor could he ever be). LeBron has no problem frontrunning and calling himself the greatest or the best player in the world when things are going his way yet stans get upset when he fails to live up to his standards and the image he created for himself.

 

[Crack Daniels]

Even if Larry was better this article is absolutely awful. Sounds like a drawn out version of a coli troll thread

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

I know...I KNOW....this debate is had on this sub-forum all the time but I read this recent article and I'm sold on Bird being better than Bron as it stands right now.

The article details why Bird was a better player than LeBron and accounts for different aspects of the game.

Stats (in their respective primes):
Bird > James
Bird's prime (1983-88): 27pts/10rebs/7asts/51% FG/90% FT/40% 3PT/1.8spg/0.9bpg
James' prime (2010-15): 27pts/7rebs/7asts/53% FG/75% FT/37% 3PT/1.6spg/0.7bpg

Skill: They're even; different playing styles

Impact:
Bird > James
Bird made the Cs marketable again (after a decade or so of irrelevance); made the league marketable; he had a legendary rivalry with Magic; played more of a team game.......James thrived in a much less competitive era; more concerned with his brand and his individual play than winning

Clutch:
Bird > James
MJ, Magic, and Charles Barkley all said they'd want Larry Bird to take the final shot of a game; he raised his game to another level when the game was on the line; made so many game-winning shots; one of the best pure shooters ever; he's nicknamed "Larry Legend".......James isn't feared by opponents when it comes to him taking the final shot b/c he's not a good outside shooter; opponents are more concerned with him bulldozing his way to the basket; has made big shots but not with the same frequency or importance as Bird has; 2011 NBA Finals, anyone?

Winning/Team Play:
Bird > James
Bird is 3-2 in the NBA Finals; led took a 29-win Celtics team to a championship in his 2nd season as the clear-cut leader; Bird led by example and forced his teammates to raise their level of play; in 1988-89, Bird played just 6 games due to an Achilles surgery and the Celtics went from being the #1 seed for 5 years straight to being #8 with a 42-40 record, despite having Kevin McHale as their main player.....James is 2-4 in the NBA Finals; joined super teams to win his rings; requires a high usage rate which ends up being ineffective and alienates teammates (see last year's Finals); barely won 2 rings playing with a prime D-Wade and Chris Bosh and Ray Allen.

Yeah, LeBron's a legend but Bird is better.


Why Larry Bird Was Better Than Lebron James - First Score Boston

You gave Bird props for making the Celtics relevant again Compare Boston before Bird to the Cavs before Bron You said he was marketable. Bron is 2nd only to MJ in that area
Yeah less competitive era cause teams like the warriors and spurs aint shyt right Thank gawd he's not playing in an era if young athletically gifted nikkas Instead he's being guarded by stiff cacs with tight small shorts
You said opponents is only scared of him bulldozing his way to the hoop. In miami he had a jumper. And even if he didn't who cares if the game winning shot is a jumper or layup as long as it goes in
You knocked him for playing in superteams. Like Bird didn't have hof talent around him Only difference was Bird was with an organization that knew what they was doing from the beginning. The Cavs front office at the time was clueless. Bron clearly did the right thing by leaving he just did it the wrong way.
Im not saying who is better out of those two but those are shytty reasons
Judging from your name and poll I just realized you're a Celtics stan

 

[Maschine_Man]

Honors: Elected to Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame (1998); NBA champion (1981, '84, '86); NBA Finals MVP (1984, '86); NBA MVP (1984, '85, '86); Nine-time All-NBA First Team (1980-88); All-NBA Second Team (1990); All-Defensive Second Team (1982, '83, '84); NBA Rookie of the Year (1980); One of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996); Olympic gold medalist (1992).



I hate having arguments over palyers that played in different generations especially with ppl that grew up in different generations.

Bron is a monster, but ppl REALLY underestimate how good Larry Bird actually was.

3 league MVP's....3 championships, was even on the all defensive team 3 times.

This is actually a very good comparison when it comes to players. They played completely different but were both really effective.

 

[MJ Truth]

I thought everybody knew this.

Everybody DOES know this, it's just the blatant hate for LeBron on this site and in the real world clouds plenty of people's judgment.

 

[Regular_P]

Bron's getting a ring this year. Quote me on this.

Bookmarked.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Larry has a better jump shot and post game... thats it.


If they both play 1 on 1 in their primes Lebron Kills larry, stop mythologizing these players.

Bird was more clutch, tho.


People act like it's a crime to put Bird over Lebron.

I don't get it


Dudes diss the older players...chalking it up to "Nostalgia"

But they have "johnny come lately" disease.The media is ultra sensational now...."GOAT this, GOAT that...best best best stats stats stats".That shyt's been channeled through nikkaz heads since they were in grade school.

Bron has a pathetic record in the Finals.Nikkaz revere the brand and the hype.

You put Bird on the 2011 Heat and they win that series.I just don't get the Bron stans

 

[G-Zeus]

Put lebron in larry time and he averages 40ppg

Proof? Look what mj did to them.. They were used at the combination of strenght and speed. ..


Now it's a common thing lebron is just on top of that mountain but plenty of super athletes