At one Point DMX was considered better than Hov

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

In regard to "Kenny's Dead", the song is possibly cornier because it sounds like a parody of one of No Limit's tribute songs to dead homies.

of course it did.

that was the whole point of it.

Jay verses in 1998 were far more of a selling point than Beanie Sigel's. Whose albums did what is beyond the point in regard to Mystikal. His features on No Limit releases had peiple coppin the albums.

clearly I'm not talking about 1998. SMH.
I'm referencing the rocafella era as a whole.

nobody copped *no limit albums just for a mystikal verse.
LOL. stop lying to yourself.
and I'm prolly the biggest mystical fan on here.

Roc-A-Fella isn't droppin albums weekly for several reasons:

- no in house production squad

- Everybody from second and third cousins to bodyguards to the homie your brother is cool with wasn't droppin albums

- they didn't have booklets advertising albums 30 upcoming releases

- albums didn't play like compilations showcasing nearly every artist on the roster

- no in-house production squad?? what the hell are you talking about?? rocafella had arguably the goat in-house production squad. definitely the goat on paper.

- most artists that dropped albums during the no limit flood were already established acts locally. this whole idea that everybody was related is so overstated. and even if it was true, that's yet another feat that rocafella wouldn't have been able to accomplish. and there were known local talents that were related to roc members, btw, give dudes like pooda brown & indy 500 over to master p and they would have multiple plaques on their wall.

- that's because the roc weren't fit to drop 30 successful albums. again, another major no limit accomplishment that youre throwing dirt at for some reason.

- really?? so what do you call dynasty? the state property albums? diplomatic immunity??

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Reasonable Doubt was not a saught after album when it dropped but it is a top 20 goat album.

You could go either way with an answer on this and you wouldn't be wrong. Jay and X were 1a, 1b in the late 90s

define "sought after".
cuz that album was everywhere up here when it was out.
and no, I'm not from new York.

nah. X was clearly ahead of jay in the late '90s.
jay having his business str8, made it seem like a 1a/1b situation. but it really wasn't. like my man said earlier; jay is smart, especially when it comes to perception.
mystical name coming up in here, so I might as well drop that famous quote: "90% of this chit is your business, 10% of this chit is your TALENT".

Thats the best type tho its hard to restore that feeling. As far as im concerned those are 5 mics, and i know im not in a small margin that thinks that. If lad is a classic and if all eyez on me are classics which are 4 mic albums with filler then i feel like those albums are easily better without a doubt.

its the best type of hip-hop TO YOU.
youre proving my point.

and I agree that HOE is a classic album. but yall go overboard with the top 5 talk. its not even in my top 75.

I don't think LAD is a classic album either breh. I still want my money back for it.
AEOM is on the fence, depending on how you feel about the 2nd disc.

Reasonable Doubt was not a saught after album when it dropped but it is a top 20 goat album.

You could go either way with an answer on this and you wouldn't be wrong. Jay and X were 1a, 1b in the late 90s

 

[JustCKing]

of course it did.

that was the whole point of it.





clearly I'm not talking about 1998. SMH.
I'm referencing the rocafella era as a whole.

nobody copped mystikal albums just for a mystikal verse.
LOL. stop lying to yourself.
and I'm prolly the biggest mystical fan on here.





- no in-house production squad?? what the hell are you talking about?? rocafella had arguably the goat in-house production squad. definitely the goat on paper.

- most artists that dropped albums during the no limit flood were already established acts locally. this whole idea that everybody was related is so overstated. and even if it was true, that's yet another feat that rocafella wouldn't have been able to accomplish. and there were known local talents that were related to roc members, btw, give dudes like pooda brown & indy 500 over to master p and they would have multiple plaques on their wall.

- that's because the roc weren't fit to drop 30 successful albums. again, another major no limit accomplishment that youre throwing dirt at for some reason.

- really?? so what do you call dynasty? the state property albums? diplomatic immunity??

Parody records in and of themselves are corny and aren't really taken seriously. Furthermore, again, "Take Me Back" was a feature.

Beanie Sigel wasn't a selling point of Roc albums in yhe way that Mystikal was for NL.

Mystikal albums were definitely copped because of Mystikal. The smoking songs were enough incentive to cop a Mystikal album by themselves.

Who was the Roc's in house production squad? Kanye, Just and the Heatmakerz hardly qualify as in house Roc producers in the way that BBTP were for NL. BBTP was nearly exclusive to No Limit hardly producing for outside artists.

A lot of the NL roster were related to the Millers. Nobody on NL besides Mystikal, Snoop and The Millers had multiple plaques.

Roc didn't have a roster of that many artists and Def Jam or whoever else wasn't about to distribute that volume of music coming from one label.

Nobody's throwing dirt at No Limit dropping 30 albums in one year. Huge feat, but you're comparing that to one artist.

Every No Limit release played like a Dynasty or Diplomatic Immunity. Most of the roster got their shine as guest on every album.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

I saw an interview where Irv implied that Jay was jealous and insecure when it came to X

they both was jealous and insecure of each other. Neither would want the other to go last, and send shots at each other on songs

 

[JustCKing]

And eother way you slice it, you can't put Master P over Jay and X in 1998 without counting 30 albums to his credit (which is still a reach considering he wasn't the main selling point or sole selling point to a lot of those albums). Mase would be ahead of P considering X's impact was a response to the dominance that Mase had as part of the whole Shiny Suit sound and image.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Mase would be ahead of P considering X's impact was a response to the dominance that Mase had as part of the whole Shiny Suit sound and image.

GTFOH

that chit is unacceptable.​

Parody records in and of themselves are corny and aren't really taken seriously. Furthermore, again, "Take Me Back" was a feature.

Beanie Sigel wasn't a selling point of Roc albums in yhe way that Mystikal was for NL.

Mystikal albums were definitely copped because of Mystikal. The smoking songs were enough incentive to cop a Mystikal album by themselves.

Who was the Roc's in house production squad? Kanye, Just and the Heatmakerz hardly qualify as in house Roc producers in the way that BBTP were for NL. BBTP was nearly exclusive to No Limit hardly producing for outside artists.

A lot of the NL roster were related to the Millers. Nobody on NL besides Mystikal, Snoop and The Millers had multiple plaques.

Roc didn't have a roster of that many artists and Def Jam or whoever else wasn't about to distribute that volume of music coming from one label.

Nobody's throwing dirt at No Limit dropping 30 albums in one year. Huge feat, but you're comparing that to one artist.

Every No Limit release played like a Dynasty or Diplomatic Immunity. Most of the roster got their shine as guest on every album.

- youre trying too hard. and moving the goal-post as well.
- beans was just as much a selling point on roc albums as mystikal on no limit joints.
- my bad, that was a typo. I meant to say that NO LIMIT albums weren't copped just for a mystikal verse.
- now youre moving the goal-posts regarding the production teams.
- you made it seem like the majority were related.
- by 2003, rocafella had enough artists to attempt to follow no limit's blueprint.
- you lost me there
- of course. that was the way they promoted their albums. they weren't on TV & radio like that.

 

[CrimsonTider]

I agree with you on DMX.
I was arguing against you saying that red & meth were bigger than jay-z. that was nowhere near the case. they could've been replaced on that tour and it would've did the same numbers,

and it wasn't just one hit breh. darn near the whole album was a hit.
and jay blowing up was further from the tour than you think. he took off when school started. the tour didn't begin until a lil before spring break.

but yea, DMX was definitely bigger in 98-99. but rocafella put the tour together. the name says it all. and jay was close enough to DMX status. same situation with the "roc da mic" tour 5 years later.
I think if it was a def jam tour, they would prolly make X & Jay co-headliners, with DMX closing the show. everybody knew he should've been the one closing the show on the hard knock life tour, instead of jay.

and yea, I always say, jay is the smartest rapper ever, particularly when it comes to perception. even to this day, he has people thinking he owns the Barclays center and was the owner of the Nets.

FAX!

He tricked people that to thinking that his last 2 albums were big deals for hiphop

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

FAX!

He tricked people that to thinking that his last 2 albums were big deals for hiphop

more like his last 6 albums.

 

[the artist known az]

takes me back to my high school days

 

[JustCKing]

GTFOH

that chit is unacceptable.​

- youre trying too hard. and moving the goal-post as well.
- beans was just as much a selling point on roc albums as mystikal on no limit joints.
- my bad, that was a typo. I meant to say that NO LIMIT albums weren't copped just for a mystikal verse.
- now youre moving the goal-posts regarding the production teams.
- you made it seem like the majority were related.
- by 2003, rocafella had enough artists to attempt to follow no limit's blueprint.
- you lost me there
- of course. that was the way they promoted their albums. they weren't on TV & radio like that.

How is what I posted unacceptable? When people speak of X's impact, its about how he ended the shiny suit era, which Mase along with Puff was the face of.

"Kenny's Dead" was corny. Type of song that even die hard Master P fans discarded.

Beanie didn't have people picking up Roc albums because he was featured at least not to the degree that Mystikal had people coppin No Limit albums. There's No Limit threads on here where people who bought those albums say as much.

No goal posts moved in regard to production teams. Just and Kanye were never really just Roc producers like BBTP was for NL.

Even in 2003, the Roc didn't have as big of a roster as No Limit.

Regardless of it beong how they promoted albums, most No Limit albums were glorified compilations. How many solo songs are on Ghetto D? And thats just one example.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

master p WAS no limit tho.

95% of those albums were moving strictly because of his stamp.

neither jay nor dmx were capable of such.

Neither was Master P he was inflating numbers with a tired old barcode scam

You stay pushing Miller ducktales when he is the king of smoke and mirrors

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Neither was Master P he was inflating numbers with a tired old barcode scam

You stay pushing Miller ducktales when he is the king of smoke and mirrors

and def jam was buying copies of DMX and jay-z albums.

EVERYTHING is smoke-n-mirrors when you get to a certain level. you think jay-z is really that much better than say an AZ??

its only a problem when a black man is the main one profiting. when the white folks take the biggest slice, while displaying more flagrant tactics, its somehow considered legitimate.

How is what I posted unacceptable? When people speak of X's impact, its about how he ended the shiny suit era, which Mase along with Puff was the face of.

"Kenny's Dead" was corny. Type of song that even die hard Master P fans discarded.

Beanie didn't have people picking up Roc albums because he was featured at least not to the degree that Mystikal had people coppin No Limit albums. There's No Limit threads on here where people who bought those albums say as much.

No goal posts moved in regard to production teams. Just and Kanye were never really just Roc producers like BBTP was for NL.

Even in 2003, the Roc didn't have as big of a roster as No Limit.

Regardless of it beong how they promoted albums, most No Limit albums were glorified compilations. How many solo songs are on Ghetto D? And thats just one example.

Puff was the face of it. and lets be reality, that chit dominated the east coast, but the other regions weren't on it like that......and no limit already dethroned bad boy as the top label before DMX even dropped. DMX gets too much credit. he saved east coast rap(really just new York).

of course a song for a cartoon is gonna automatically have a sense of corniness. but to compare it to the rugrats chit is just dumb. "kennys dead" was the hardest song of its kind. meanwhile, mase was riding around in reptar cars. "bu bu but he was a feature".

I know a lot of people who mainly wanted to hear beans on the roc albums too. whats your point?? common sense should tell you that if people picked those albums up just for a mystikal verse, then his own albums would've been selling a helluva lot more. at some point, common sense has to kick in.

you are moving the goal-posts. them being exclusive or not, is neither here nor there.

they had enough to drop as many albums as '98 no limit

nah. most no limit albums aren't like that. just the ones from ghetto d thru da crime family, for the most part. it was a promotional thing to introduce all their new rappers, since they weren't on TV/radio like that. and it absolutely worked.

 

[JustCKing]

Puff was the face of it. and lets be reality, that chit dominated the east coast, but the other regions weren't on it like that......and no limit already dethroned bad boy as the top label before DMX even dropped. DMX gets too much credit. he saved east coast rap(really just new York).

of course a song for a cartoon is gonna automatically have a sense of corniness. but to compare it to the rugrats chit is just dumb. "kennys dead" was the hardest song of its kind. meanwhile, mase was riding around in reptar cars. "bu bu but he was a feature".

I know a lot of people who mainly wanted to hear beans on the roc albums too. whats your point?? common sense should tell you that if people picked those albums up just for a mystikal verse, then his own albums would've been selling a helluva lot more. at some point, common sense has to kick in.

you are moving the goal-posts. them being exclusive or not, is neither here nor there.

they had enough to drop as many albums as '98 no limit

nah. most no limit albums aren't like that. just the ones from ghetto d thru da crime family, for the most part. it was a promotional thing to introduce all their new rappers, since they weren't on TV/radio like that. and it absolutely worked.

Mase was right there with Puff. Most of those songs ("Can't Nobody Hold Me Down", "Mo Money, Mo Problems", "Been Around The World") featured Mase. Then there was Mase's own "Feel So Good". Yeah, that sound dominated the East.

A lot of the music Bad Boy dropped in '97 was still in heavy rotation. "Money Power Respect" was huge here. No Limit didn't dethrone Bad Boy. Bad Boy was still eating off of 1997 and only dropped one rap album and a Greatest Hits compilation in 1998. The rest of the music Bad Boy dropped in 1998 was all R&B.

"Kenny's Dead" was good for a good laugh. That song wasn't anything to be taken seriously just like that Rugrats song wasn't anything to be taken seriously. It's the type of song that if you are fan of that artist, you aren't rushing to listen to it and it's definitely not something you're cranking up when you're listening to said artist.

Mystikal was one of the highest selling artists on the label and despite being on Jive, breh didn't even have the major singles that Silkk, P, or Snoop had and STILL sold. They dropped a video for "Ain't No Limit" when "The Man Right Chea" was the song that the streets and radio picked up. When Ghetto Fabulous dropped, they released a video for "That's The nikka", which had already been on the Mean Green compilation. Then "Round Out The Tank" somehow became a single.

Them being exclusive is here or there. I can't think of anyone that BBTP produced outside of No Limit unless a No Limit artist was featured. Meanwhile Just Blaze and Kanye were producing for big name artists that weren't on The Roc before and during their tenure with The Roc.

The ROC never had as many artists as No Limit.

Most No Limit albums featured a bunch of songs that featured different members of the roster. Ghetto D thru Da Crime Family encompasses their entire run. That's nearly 50 albums. There were hardly any real solo songs on those albums:

 

[Theodoresolderbreh]

Dmx washed Jayz on every song they were on. I like both but that's a fact. Especially money cash hoes. I wish that murderers album drop would have been fire. DMX energy on songs made me a fan. Like get at me dog and stop being greedy.... but he was clearly on drugs the entire time and it caught up with him.

 

[MouseTeeth]

truth